Hi Tobias,
I think there is a genuine difference between organizations that forget to update their objects and organizations that would have updated them but are prevented from doing so until they do something else. I suspect that a significant proportion of people will give up at the first hurdle.
On 10 Feb 2010, at 2:28, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>> I would be grateful if you could please explain how data accuracy
>> will be maintained or even improved if people are required to add
>> information that they may well not want to supply when updating the
>> database? One of the major concerns I have with this proposal is that
>> people may decide that it is easier to leave old contact information
>> in the APNIC Whois Database rather than supply an IRT object with the
>> relevant information.
>
> As you already mentioned there is no way to force network owners to
> publish the correct data. That's the Internet we created and we support.
>
> But we can differentiate the network owners that care from them that do
> not care. That is nothing that has to be done by APNIC or any other RIR.
> The RIRs just should define rules, controlling these rules is everybody
> s job every day.
>
> I know that lots of people do not keep their records up2date, because
> they forget about it and not being intentionally bad. Or they have never
> thought about it, because they changed jobs and do not know about it.
> But if you ask them frequently to do so, they will not forget about it.
I don't think this is a comparison of like with like. You are citing an example of database changes as a result of operators referring to a list maintained by a third party. That is not the same as changing the registration rules for the APNIC Whois Database.
> We have done the test and created a non public list with ip ranges that
> have wrong abuse contacts published. (bouncing, mailbox full, ...) We
> offered this list to 3 huge ISPs in Europe for greylisting and it
> worked. Networkowners started to fix their things.
>
> Since abusix is reporting spam issues to tech-c or admin-c as long no
> explicit abuse contact is given, people started creating IRT-Objects or
> use the Abuse POC or the abuse-c.
I suspect that you will get more out of people by helping and encouraging them to do the right thing than by trying to force them to change.
Regards,
Leo Vegoda
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