Re: [apnic-talk] Demonstrated Need Transfers - Seeking Opinions
within APNIC, but would apply if it was to/from ARIN"
To my mind this creates complexity/ambiguity which isn't required.
We either think DN is important, or we don't.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Elvis Velea <elvis at velea dot eu> wrote:
> Hi Dean,
> I think I did not make my idea clear enough.
> I don't want to cause policy fragmentation. What I wanted to say is that we
> would remove DN completely and APNIC staff would (just as RIPE NCC staff if
> 2014-05 becomes policy) create an operational procedure and work with the
> rest of the the RIRs that have Inter-RIR transfer policy to allow Inter-RIR
> transfers to and from the region.
> Basically, this would mean that if a region still has DN in their policy,
> APNIC will have a procedure to verify DN for it's member for transfers
> coming in the region and facilitate the transfer.
>
> To quote from RIPE-2014-05:
> " If another RIR has a different policy, the RIPE NCC should create an
> operational procedure, in cooperation with that RIR, to allow transfers to
> and from its service region. In all cases, the registries of the different
> RIRs must be consistent.
> [...]
> When Internet number resources are transferred from another RIR, the RIPE
> NCC will work with its member LIR to fulfil any requirements of the sending
> RIR.
> [...]
> When transferring Internet number resources to another RIR, the RIPE NCC
> will follow the transfer policies that apply within its own service region.
> The RIPE NCC will also comply with the commitments imposed by the receiving
> RIR, in order to facilitate the transfer."
>
> I am not saying that we should copy the RIPE policy proposal. I am just
> saying that this time, Sandra managed to come up with a very simple, clear
> and easy to follow policy proposal.
>
> As far as I know, ARIN has not responded or reacted to RIPE-2014-05 policy
> proposal. That is probably the reason why they are not responding here
> either. I do see that DN is discussed in the ARIN region but I have no idea
> if they will go away with it or keep it until they hit the wall (depletion).
>
> Kind regards,
> Elvis
>
>
>
> On 04/06/14 22:38, Dean Pemberton wrote:
>
> Hi Elvis,
>
> If we work on a new policy proposal, maybe we
> can remove DN for everything else but ARIN incoming IPs (for as long as ARIN
> will keep DN in their policy) and still be compatible with RIPE and ARIN
> policies regarding Inter-RIR transfers.
>
> I think that would cause a nasty policy fragmentation effect.
> I believe we should make a holistic decision about DN and stick to it.
> It's either something we believe is a good idea, or it's not.
>
> At the moment however we appear to be in a position of:
> "We don't think DN is a good idea and we'd do away with it entirely if
> only ARIN would continue to transfer addresses to the APNIC region"
>
> Dean
>
>
>
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Regards,
Dean