Hi Dean, I think I did not make my idea clear enough. I don't want to cause policy fragmentation. What I wanted to say is that we would remove DN completely and APNIC staff would (just as RIPE NCC staff if 2014-05 becomes policy) create an operational procedure and work with the rest of the the RIRs that have Inter-RIR transfer policy to allow Inter-RIR transfers to and from the region. Basically, this would mean that if a region still has DN in their policy, APNIC will have a procedure to verify DN for it's member for transfers coming in the region and facilitate the transfer. To quote from RIPE-2014-05: " If another RIR has a different policy, the RIPE NCC should create an operational procedure, in cooperation with that RIR, to allow transfers to and from its service region. In all cases, the registries of the different RIRs must be consistent. [...] When Internet number resources are transferred from another RIR, the RIPE NCC will work with its member LIR to fulfil any requirements of the sending RIR. [...] When transferring Internet number resources to another RIR, the RIPE NCC will follow the transfer policies that apply within its own service region. The RIPE NCC will also comply with the commitments imposed by the receiving RIR, in order to facilitate the transfer." I am not saying that we should copy the RIPE policy proposal. I am just saying that this time, Sandra managed to come up with a very simple, clear and easy to follow policy proposal. As far as I know, ARIN has not responded or reacted to RIPE-2014-05 policy proposal. That is probably the reason why they are not responding here either. I do see that DN is discussed in the ARIN region but I have no idea if they will go away with it or keep it until they hit the wall (depletion). Kind regards, Elvis On 04/06/14 22:38, Dean Pemberton
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Hi Elvis,If we work on a new policy proposal, maybe we can remove DN for everything else but ARIN incoming IPs (for as long as ARIN will keep DN in their policy) and still be compatible with RIPE and ARIN policies regarding Inter-RIR transfers.I think that would cause a nasty policy fragmentation effect. I believe we should make a holistic decision about DN and stick to it. It's either something we believe is a good idea, or it's not. At the moment however we appear to be in a position of: "We don't think DN is a good idea and we'd do away with it entirely if only ARIN would continue to transfer addresses to the APNIC region" Dean
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