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Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi sunny@apnic.net wrote:

Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny

On 17/01/2022 12:11 pm, Anupam Agrawal wrote:

All,

Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments have taken place?

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Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group wg-pdr@apnic.net wrote:

In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections” for IPv4.

We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs, then it is just ok and sufficient.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com escribió:

Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards

Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi sunny@apnic.net wrote:

Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny

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I don't see any issue with reserving some IPv4 for IXPs, there are non-for-profit IXPs out there and paying for ipv4 is not always easy for them. I'm not sure what size should be reserved or who would be qualified to get an allocation out of it, but generally I support the idea.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM Anupam Agrawal anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group wg-pdr@apnic.net wrote:

...

In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections” for IPv4.

We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs, then it is just ok and sufficient.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com escribió:

Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards

Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi sunny@apnic.net wrote:

Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny

On 17/01/2022 12:11 pm, Anupam Agrawal wrote:

All,

Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments have taken place?

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Hi Jordi and All,

We will provide the requested data soon.

Regards, Sunny

On 18/01/2022 12:42 am, Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group wrote:

May be the secretariat can let us know if there has been request from existing and new IXPs in the last few years?

Regards,

Jordi

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El 17/1/22 15:33, "Arash Naderpour" arash.naderpour@gmail.com escribió:

I don't see any issue with reserving some IPv4 for IXPs, there are non-for-profit IXPs out there and paying for ipv4 is not always easy for them. I'm not sure what size should be reserved or who would be qualified to get an allocation out of it, but generally I support the idea.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM Anupam Agrawal anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to
grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will
allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and
b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards

Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr]
Policy Document Review Working Group <wg-pdr@apnic.net> wrote:

    In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections”
    for IPv4.

    We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs,
    then it is just ok and sufficient.

    Regards,

    Jordi

    @jordipalet

    El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com>
    escribió:

    Thanks Sunny for your response.

    A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved
    pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

    Regards

    Anupam

    On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi
    <sunny@apnic.net> wrote:

        Dear Anupam,

        Thanks for your email.

        There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources
        are delegated
        to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

        Regards,
        Sunny

        On 17/01/2022 12:11 pm, Anupam Agrawal wrote:

            All,

            Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If
            yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments
            have taken place?

            Regards

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Dear George,

Thanks for your response.

Are the IXP delegations being priced differently?

Regards ________________________________________________________ Anupam Agrawal | India Internet Foundation - Chair | 91 990 399 2838

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:57 AM George Odagi godagi@apnic.net wrote:

Hi Jordi,

Thanks for your patience whilst we collected this data.

See below number of IXP delegations made from 2002-2021.

2021: 3

2020: 2

2019: 2

2018: 9

2017: 13

2016: 8

2015: 5

2014: 6

2013: 8

2012: 9

2011: 20

2010: 20

2009: 6

2008: 20

2007: 6

2006: 9

2005: 25

2004: 6

2003: 16

2002: 8

Hope this helps.

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May be the secretariat can let us know if there has been request from existing and new IXPs in the last few years?

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 17/1/22 15:33, "Arash Naderpour" arash.naderpour@gmail.com escribió:

I don't see any issue with reserving some IPv4 for IXPs, there are non-for-profit IXPs out there and paying for ipv4 is not always easy for them. I'm not sure what size should be reserved or who would be qualified to get an allocation out of it, but generally I support the idea.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM Anupam Agrawal anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards

Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group wg-pdr@apnic.net wrote:

In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections” for IPv4.

We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs, then it is just ok and sufficient.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com escribió:

Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards

Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi sunny@apnic.net wrote:

Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny

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All,

Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments have taken place?

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You’re welcome Jordi.

And yes that is correct, as per our member fee schedule, the following services are exempt from the AUD 500 sign-up fee:

- Critical infrastructure assignments - IXP assignments - New Member accounts to manage historical resources of original custodians of the address space - Existing Non-Member accounts with historical resources converting to Member accounts

https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/corporate-documents/documents/membership/m...

Any other questions, please let me know.

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From: "Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group" wg-pdr@apnic.net Reply to: Jordi Palet Martínez jordi.palet@theipv6company.com Date: Friday, 21 January 2022 at 7:19 pm To: mailman_wg-pdr wg-pdr@apnic.net Subject: [wg-pdr] Re: IPv4 for IXPs

Tks George!

This means that there is not a real problem, even without a reservation of a prefix, for covering the requests that come-in, more over when they seem to be reducing according those figures? Also, it looks to me that in the worst case, they need to wait for prefixes returned or recovered to be able to get one from APNIC.

This will also apply to the experimental prefixes (if you need one for an experiment and there is not a reservation), it means you just may need to wait weeks or months to get one.

Regarding the Anupam question, if I’m correct, and IXP need to pay the regular annual APNIC membership fees (https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fget-ip%2Fapnic-membership%2Fhow-much-does-it-cost%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf7ef8accfd36418ed9b908d9dcbf0f74%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637783535424816723%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=1bbvOnSGYgTujhKRfmVE54kTRckt9n7cv%2BYmQ%2FOUm%2Bc%3D&reserved=0), however, they don’t pay the sign-up fee. Right?

Regards, Jordi @jordipalet

El 21/1/22 8:20, "Anupam Agrawal" <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.commailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> escribió:

Dear George,

Thanks for your response.

Are the IXP delegations being priced differently?

Regards ________________________________________________________ Anupam Agrawal | India Internet Foundation - Chair | 91 990 399 2838

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:57 AM George Odagi <godagi@apnic.netmailto:godagi@apnic.net> wrote: Hi Jordi,

Thanks for your patience whilst we collected this data.

See below number of IXP delegations made from 2002-2021.

2021: 3 2020: 2 2019: 2 2018: 9 2017: 13 2016: 8 2015: 5 2014: 6 2013: 8 2012: 9 2011: 20 2010: 20 2009: 6 2008: 20 2007: 6 2006: 9 2005: 25 2004: 6 2003: 16 2002: 8

Hope this helps.

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From: "Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group" <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> Reply to: Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@theipv6company.commailto:jordi.palet@theipv6company.com> Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 12:42 am To: mailman_wg-pdr <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> Subject: [wg-pdr] Re: IPv4 for IXPs

May be the secretariat can let us know if there has been request from existing and new IXPs in the last few years?

Regards, Jordi @jordipalet

El 17/1/22 15:33, "Arash Naderpour" <arash.naderpour@gmail.commailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com> escribió:

I don't see any issue with reserving some IPv4 for IXPs, there are non-for-profit IXPs out there and paying for ipv4 is not always easy for them. I'm not sure what size should be reserved or who would be qualified to get an allocation out of it, but generally I support the idea.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.commailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> wrote: In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections” for IPv4.

We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs, then it is just ok and sufficient.

Regards, Jordi @jordipalet

El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.commailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> escribió:

Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <sunny@apnic.netmailto:sunny@apnic.net> wrote: Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny On 17/01/2022 12:11 pm, Anupam Agrawal wrote: All,

Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments have taken place?

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Hi Arash,

I have also included the number of prefixes by size below:

IPv4 /24: 104 /23: 16 /22: 5

IPv6 /64: 4 (These were made in 2002) /48: 69 /47: 2 /46: 1

Hope this helps.

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From: Arash Naderpour arash.naderpour@gmail.com Date: Friday, 21 January 2022 at 7:38 pm To: George Odagi godagi@apnic.net Cc: mailman_wg-pdr wg-pdr@apnic.net Subject: Re: [wg-pdr] Re: IPv4 for IXPs

Hi George,

Thanks for the details, are these delegations the same size as /24s? I just want to have a better understanding of the total number of IPs that are being allocated to them.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 5:27 PM George Odagi <godagi@apnic.netmailto:godagi@apnic.net> wrote: Hi Jordi,

Thanks for your patience whilst we collected this data.

See below number of IXP delegations made from 2002-2021.

2021: 3 2020: 2 2019: 2 2018: 9 2017: 13 2016: 8 2015: 5 2014: 6 2013: 8 2012: 9 2011: 20 2010: 20 2009: 6 2008: 20 2007: 6 2006: 9 2005: 25 2004: 6 2003: 16 2002: 8

Hope this helps.

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From: "Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group" <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> Reply to: Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@theipv6company.commailto:jordi.palet@theipv6company.com> Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 12:42 am To: mailman_wg-pdr <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> Subject: [wg-pdr] Re: IPv4 for IXPs

May be the secretariat can let us know if there has been request from existing and new IXPs in the last few years?

Regards, Jordi @jordipalet

El 17/1/22 15:33, "Arash Naderpour" <arash.naderpour@gmail.commailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com> escribió:

I don't see any issue with reserving some IPv4 for IXPs, there are non-for-profit IXPs out there and paying for ipv4 is not always easy for them. I'm not sure what size should be reserved or who would be qualified to get an allocation out of it, but generally I support the idea.

Regards,

Arash Naderpour

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.commailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Jordi.

In India itself, we are seeing spurt in IXPs which is slated to grow in the region overall. A small protection of /15 or /16 will allow two fold possibilities - a) IXPs promotion in the region and b) APNIC supporting the same.

I felt, there is nothing including Transfer helping on that.

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM Jordi Palet Martínez via [wg-pdr] Policy Document Review Working Group <wg-pdr@apnic.netmailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net> wrote: In general, I don’t think there should be more “protections” for IPv4.

We have the transfers and if they are fair among all the RIRs, then it is just ok and sufficient.

Regards, Jordi @jordipalet

El 17/1/22 9:43, "Anupam Agrawal" <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.commailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> escribió:

Thanks Sunny for your response.

A question to the larger group - Should there be a reserved pool of IPv4 address space for IXPs?

Regards Anupam

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:17 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <sunny@apnic.netmailto:sunny@apnic.net> wrote: Dear Anupam,

Thanks for your email.

There is no reserved IPv4 pool for IXPs. IPv4 resources are delegated to IXPs from the same pool as for other requests.

Regards, Sunny On 17/01/2022 12:11 pm, Anupam Agrawal wrote: All,

Is there a IPv4 resource pool reserved for IXPs. If yes, what's the size of it and how many assignments have taken place?

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