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Dear SIG members,
A new version of the proposal "prop-147: Historical Resources Management" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 55 on Wednesday, 1 March 2023.
https://conference.apnic.net/55/program/schedule/#/day/10
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the OPM.
The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal? - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Information about this proposal is appended below as well as available at:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-147
Regards, Bertrand, Shaila, and Anupam APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
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prop-147-v003: Historical Resources Management
----------------------------------------------------------------
Proposer: Jordi Palet Martinez (jordi.palet@theipv6company.com)
1. Problem statement -------------------- Section 4.2.1 is outdated and only looking for very old non-routed resources.
The recent EC resolution (22nd February 2022), imply that historical resource holders in the APNIC region would need to become Members or Non-Members by 1st January 2023 in order to continue to receive registration services. Failing this, historical resource registration will no longer be published in the APNIC Whois Database and said resources will be placed into reserved status.
Per current policies, all current and historical resources that are marked as reserved are automatically added to the AS0.
Given the continued need for IPv4 addresses, it would seem illogical to keep these unused historical resources in reserve indefinitely. Alternatively, these resources can be used in a way that is sufficiently justified in accordance with existing policies, allowing other organizations to benefit from them during the IPv6 transition.
2. Objective of policy change ----------------------------- Ensure that historical IPv4 resources are justified and claimed, or that they are available for other organizations that require them.
If the resources are marked as reserved, the original holders may reclaim them with a valid justification, when APNIC failed to contact them for whatever reason.
One example of a valid justification is the case where an organization is actually using them internally and there are valid reasons to instead use RFC1918 space, however the space is not routed.
To give the original resource holders more time to reclaim them, and ensure that APNIC has no challenges in finalizing the work, we propose a time-frame of 12 months.
3. Situation in other regions ----------------------------- In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
4. Proposed policy solution --------------------------- REMOVE: 4.2.1. Recovery of unused historical resources
To recover these globally un-routed resources and place them back in the free pool for re-delegation, APNIC will contact networks responsible for historical address space in the APNIC region that has not been globally routed since 1 January 1998. To recover un-routed historical AS numbers, APNIC will contact networks responsible for resources not globally used for a reasonable period of time.
ADD:
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved. The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved. After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
If the resources are no longer required and are returned to APNIC, they can’t be reclaimed.
b) Routed and Unrouted historical resources. When APNIC deregisters an unclaimed historical resource, it is marked as reserved. The custodians will be given another 12 months to claim their resources. If the resources haven’t been claimed after 12 months, they will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
c) Account closures. Any historical resources marked as reserved and/or reclaimed by APNIC due to account closures will lose their “historical” status and become “current” resources for re-delegation.
5. Advantages / Disadvantages ----------------------------- Advantages: Fulfilling the objective above indicated by allowing further 12 months for reclaiming the historical resources. Returning resources to RIR for reallocation providing additional number of IPv4 resources to be allocated in the future.
Disadvantages: None.
6. Impact on resource holders ----------------------------- None.
7. References ------------- None.

4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.
Aftab A. Siddiqui

Hi Aftab,
12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.
To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?
Tks for the inputs!
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:
Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.
When will this 12 months period start?
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
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On 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
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I would request APNIC Secretariat to publish country wise number of historical account holder and number of IP owned by each account holder._______________________________________________For the sake of privacy, account holder name may not be published.Regards,Gaurav KansalOn 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
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Hi Guarav and all,
Sorry for the delay. These are the current total number of historical IPv4 addresses in each economy under APNIC management.
Economy |
Historical IPv4 (number of /24s) |
JP |
155026 |
au |
64043 |
tw |
14878 |
kr |
12471 |
nz |
7408 |
hk |
3953 |
sg |
2957 |
th |
2934 |
cn |
1861 |
in |
1149 |
id |
817 |
bn |
514 |
my |
512 |
mo |
265 |
fj |
264 |
ph |
172 |
lk |
128 |
pg |
18 |
pk |
17 |
mu |
8 |
bd |
6 |
np |
6 |
nf |
5 |
nc |
4 |
sb |
2 |
gu |
1 |
pf |
1 |
us |
1 |
Regards,
Sunny
I would request APNIC Secretariat to publish country wise number of historical account holder and number of IP owned by each account holder.For the sake of privacy, account holder name may not be published.
Regards,Gaurav Kansal
On 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
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_______________________________________________Hi Guarav and all,
Sorry for the delay. These are the current total number of historical IPv4 addresses in each economy under APNIC management.
Economy
Historical IPv4 (number of /24s)
JP
155026
au
64043
tw
14878
kr
12471
nz
7408
hk
3953
sg
2957
th
2934
cn
1861
in
1149
id
817
bn
514
my
512
mo
265
fj
264
ph
172
lk
128
pg
18
pk
17
mu
8
bd
6
np
6
nf
5
nc
4
sb
2
gu
1
pf
1
us
1
Regards,
Sunny
On 20/01/2023 2:02 pm, Gaurav Kansal wrote:
I would request APNIC Secretariat to publish country wise number of historical account holder and number of IP owned by each account holder.For the sake of privacy, account holder name may not be published.
Regards,Gaurav Kansal
On 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
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Are you ready for the new Internet ?
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Here is the requested data. Sorry for the delay!
|
Size (/24s) |
Percentage (size) |
Prefixes |
Percentage (prefix) |
Total |
269420 |
|
6698 |
|
claimed |
248475 |
92.23% |
3209 |
47.91% |
unclaimed |
20945 |
7.77% |
3489 |
52.09% |
unclaimed-unrouted |
16469 |
78.63% |
3003 |
86.07% |
unclaimed-in-routing |
4476 |
21.37% |
486 |
13.93% |
Regards,
Sunny
Hello Sunny and Team,
Is there any routing table analysis available, which shows how many of these historical pools are really in use ( announced) ? This can help for better decision making while framing policy.
Regards,
Rajesh PanwalaFor Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.+91-9227886001
+91-9426110781
On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:30 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <sunny@apnic.net> wrote:
_______________________________________________Hi Guarav and all,
Sorry for the delay. These are the current total number of historical IPv4 addresses in each economy under APNIC management.
Economy
Historical IPv4 (number of /24s)
JP
155026
au
64043
tw
14878
kr
12471
nz
7408
hk
3953
sg
2957
th
2934
cn
1861
in
1149
id
817
bn
514
my
512
mo
265
fj
264
ph
172
lk
128
pg
18
pk
17
mu
8
bd
6
np
6
nf
5
nc
4
sb
2
gu
1
pf
1
us
1
Regards,
Sunny
On 20/01/2023 2:02 pm, Gaurav Kansal wrote:
I would request APNIC Secretariat to publish country wise number of historical account holder and number of IP owned by each account holder.For the sake of privacy, account holder name may not be published.
Regards,Gaurav Kansal
On 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
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On Jan 26, 2023, at 22:06, Rajesh Panwala <rajesh@smartlinkindia.com> wrote:Hello Sunny and Team,Is there any routing table analysis available, which shows how many of these historical pools are really in use ( announced) ? This can help for better decision making while framing policy.Regards,Rajesh PanwalaFor Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd.+91-9227886001+91-9426110781_______________________________________________On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:30 AM Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <sunny@apnic.net> wrote:_______________________________________________Hi Guarav and all,
Sorry for the delay. These are the current total number of historical IPv4 addresses in each economy under APNIC management.
Economy
Historical IPv4 (number of /24s)
JP
155026
au
64043
tw
14878
kr
12471
nz
7408
hk
3953
sg
2957
th
2934
cn
1861
in
1149
id
817
bn
514
my
512
mo
265
fj
264
ph
172
lk
128
pg
18
pk
17
mu
8
bd
6
np
6
nf
5
nc
4
sb
2
gu
1
pf
1
us
1
Regards,
Sunny
On 20/01/2023 2:02 pm, Gaurav Kansal wrote:
I would request APNIC Secretariat to publish country wise number of historical account holder and number of IP owned by each account holder.For the sake of privacy, account holder name may not be published.
Regards,Gaurav Kansal
On 20-Jan-2023, at 08:22, sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
Hi Aftab,12 months after they are marked as reserved. It is the same period, either they are claimed, or they will be placed in the free-pool.To make it clear, may be instead of “After 12 months”, “After the 12 months period”?Tks for the inputs!Regards,Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/1/23, 21:40, "Aftab Siddiqui" <aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com> escribió:Hi Jordi,
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.When will this 12 months period start?Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui_______________________________________________ sig-policy - https://mailman.apnic.net/sig-policy@lists.apnic.net/ To unsubscribe send an email to sig-policy-leave@lists.apnic.net
**********************************************
IPv4 is over
Are you ready for the new Internet ?
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- Situation in other regions
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
This isn’t an accurate reflection of the situation in the RIPE NCC region.
Owen

If my English is correct, "other" is not = "all", and you can also read the 2nd part of the sentence.
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 20/1/23, 18:41, "Owen DeLong via sig-policy" <sig-policy@lists.apnic.net mailto:sig-policy@lists.apnic.net> escribió:
- Situation in other regions
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
This isn’t an accurate reflection of the situation in the RIPE NCC region.
Owen
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RIPE does have specified processes for dealing with Legacy resources without contract.
So neither the first half nor the second half holds true.
Also, AFRINIC preserves legacy status across transfers IIRC.
Owen
On Jan 20, 2023, at 15:40, Owen DeLong via sig-policy sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
- Situation in other regions
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
This isn’t an accurate reflection of the situation in the RIPE NCC region.
Owen
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Hello,
On 21 Jan 2023, at 00:50, Owen DeLong via sig-policy sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
RIPE does have specified processes for dealing with Legacy resources without contract.
So neither the first half nor the second half holds true.
Also, AFRINIC preserves legacy status across transfers IIRC.
5.7.4.3 Transferred IPv4 legacy resources will no longer be regarded as legacy resources.
—Alain
Owen
On Jan 20, 2023, at 15:40, Owen DeLong via sig-policy sig-policy@lists.apnic.net wrote:
- Situation in other regions
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
This isn’t an accurate reflection of the situation in the RIPE NCC region.
Owen
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Hello,
> On 21 Jan 2023, at 00:50, Owen DeLong via sig-policy <sig-policy@lists.apnic.net> wrote:
>
> RIPE does have specified processes for dealing with Legacy resources without contract.
>
> So neither the first half nor the second half holds true.
>
> Also, AFRINIC preserves legacy status across transfers IIRC.
5.7.4.3 Transferred IPv4 legacy resources will no longer be regarded as legacy resources.

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Secretariat Impact Assessment
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Versions 1 and 2 of this proposal were first discussed at APNIC 54.
APNIC notes that this proposal intends to clarify what to do with historical resources that will no longer be published in the APNIC Whois Database and will be placed in reserved status because of EC (Executive Council) resolution 2021-09 of 22 February 2021.
APNIC believes the proposal's language and sub-headings are confusing and do not clearly refer to the EC resolution, which can lead to misinterpretation of the proposed solution. The interpretation section of the APNIC Definitions Document specifies that "Headings and sub-headings are inserted for ease of reference only and do not affect the interpretation of the document."
https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/corporate-documents/documents/corporate/de...
APNIC suggests that one of the clauses be removed to avoid confusion, simply the proposed solution, and a heading relevant to the content of the section be included. For example:
--- 4.3 Claiming and re-delegating historical resources
Historical resources that are no longer published in the APNIC Whois Database and are placed in reserved status because of EC resolution 2021-09 of 22 February 2021 can be claimed by the custodians within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FINAL_merged_EC_meeting_min...
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
Any historical resources marked as reserved and/or reclaimed by APNIC due to account closures will lose their “historical” status and become “current” resources for re-delegation. ---
This proposal may require changes to APNIC systems. If this proposal reaches consensus and endorsed by the EC, implementation may be completed within three months.
Regards, Sunny

Dear Colleagues,
I am Satoru Tsurumaki from Japan Open Policy Forum Steering Team.
I would like to share key feedback in our community for prop-147, based on a meeting we organised on 15th Feb to discuss these proposals.
Almost Japanese community members were expressed in favor of this proposal.
(comment details) - I favor with this proposal, including the 12-month claim acceptance period.
Regards,
Satoru Tsurumaki / JPOPF Steering Team
2023年1月20日(金) 9:21 Bertrand Cherrier b.cherrier@mynet.nc:
Dear SIG members,
A new version of the proposal "prop-147: Historical Resources Management" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 55 on Wednesday, 1 March 2023.
https://conference.apnic.net/55/program/schedule/#/day/10
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the OPM.
The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal?
- Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation.
- Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
- Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
- What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Information about this proposal is appended below as well as available at:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-147
Regards, Bertrand, Shaila, and Anupam APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
prop-147-v003: Historical Resources Management
Proposer: Jordi Palet Martinez (jordi.palet@theipv6company.com)
- Problem statement
Section 4.2.1 is outdated and only looking for very old non-routed resources.
The recent EC resolution (22nd February 2022), imply that historical resource holders in the APNIC region would need to become Members or Non-Members by 1st January 2023 in order to continue to receive registration services. Failing this, historical resource registration will no longer be published in the APNIC Whois Database and said resources will be placed into reserved status.
Per current policies, all current and historical resources that are marked as reserved are automatically added to the AS0.
Given the continued need for IPv4 addresses, it would seem illogical to keep these unused historical resources in reserve indefinitely. Alternatively, these resources can be used in a way that is sufficiently justified in accordance with existing policies, allowing other organizations to benefit from them during the IPv6 transition.
- Objective of policy change
Ensure that historical IPv4 resources are justified and claimed, or that they are available for other organizations that require them.
If the resources are marked as reserved, the original holders may reclaim them with a valid justification, when APNIC failed to contact them for whatever reason.
One example of a valid justification is the case where an organization is actually using them internally and there are valid reasons to instead use RFC1918 space, however the space is not routed.
To give the original resource holders more time to reclaim them, and ensure that APNIC has no challenges in finalizing the work, we propose a time-frame of 12 months.
- Situation in other regions
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
- Proposed policy solution
REMOVE: 4.2.1. Recovery of unused historical resources
To recover these globally un-routed resources and place them back in the free pool for re-delegation, APNIC will contact networks responsible for historical address space in the APNIC region that has not been globally routed since 1 January 1998. To recover un-routed historical AS numbers, APNIC will contact networks responsible for resources not globally used for a reasonable period of time.
ADD:
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved. The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved. After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
If the resources are no longer required and are returned to APNIC, they can’t be reclaimed.
b) Routed and Unrouted historical resources. When APNIC deregisters an unclaimed historical resource, it is marked as reserved. The custodians will be given another 12 months to claim their resources. If the resources haven’t been claimed after 12 months, they will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
c) Account closures. Any historical resources marked as reserved and/or reclaimed by APNIC due to account closures will lose their “historical” status and become “current” resources for re-delegation.
- Advantages / Disadvantages
Advantages: Fulfilling the objective above indicated by allowing further 12 months for reclaiming the historical resources. Returning resources to RIR for reallocation providing additional number of IPv4 resources to be allocated in the future.
Disadvantages: None.
- Impact on resource holders
None.
- References
None.
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The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.
Dear SIG members,
A new version of the proposal "prop-147: Historical Resources Management"
has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 55 on
Wednesday, 1 March 2023.
https://conference.apnic.net/55/program/schedule/#/day/10
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list
before the OPM.
The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important
part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to
express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal?
- Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
tell the community about your situation.
- Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
- Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
- What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Information about this proposal is appended below as well as available at:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-147
Regards,
Bertrand, Shaila, and Anupam
APNIC Policy SIG Chairs
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prop-147-v003: Historical Resources Management
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Proposer: Jordi Palet Martinez (jordi.palet@theipv6company.com)
1. Problem statement
--------------------
Section 4.2.1 is outdated and only looking for very old non-routed
resources.
The recent EC resolution (22nd February 2022), imply that historical
resource holders in the APNIC region would need to become Members or
Non-Members by 1st January 2023 in order to continue to receive
registration services. Failing this, historical resource registration
will no longer be published in the APNIC Whois Database and said
resources will be placed into reserved status.
Per current policies, all current and historical resources that are
marked as reserved are automatically added to the AS0.
Given the continued need for IPv4 addresses, it would seem illogical to
keep these unused historical resources in reserve indefinitely.
Alternatively, these resources can be used in a way that is sufficiently
justified in accordance with existing policies, allowing other
organizations to benefit from them during the IPv6 transition.
2. Objective of policy change
-----------------------------
Ensure that historical IPv4 resources are justified and claimed, or that
they are available for other organizations that require them.
If the resources are marked as reserved, the original holders may
reclaim them with a valid justification, when APNIC failed to contact
them for whatever reason.
One example of a valid justification is the case where an organization
is actually using them internally and there are valid reasons to instead
use RFC1918 space, however the space is not routed.
To give the original resource holders more time to reclaim them, and
ensure that APNIC has no challenges in finalizing the work, we propose a
time-frame of 12 months.
3. Situation in other regions
-----------------------------
In other RIRs legacy resources lose their legacy status when the RSA is
signed (upon receiving other resources), so they become under the
regular monitoring. In other cases, there is nothing specified by policies.
4. Proposed policy solution
---------------------------
REMOVE:
4.2.1. Recovery of unused historical resources
To recover these globally un-routed resources and place them back in the
free pool for re-delegation, APNIC will contact networks responsible for
historical address space in the APNIC region that has not been globally
routed since 1 January 1998. To recover un-routed historical AS numbers,
APNIC will contact networks responsible for resources not globally used
for a reasonable period of time.
ADD:
4.3. Historical Resources Management
a) Historical resources currently marked as reserved.
The custodians can claim historical resources that have been marked as
reserved within 12 months of the date they were marked as reserved.
After 12 months, these resources will be placed in the free pool for
re-delegation.
If the resources are no longer required and are returned to APNIC, they
can’t be reclaimed.
b) Routed and Unrouted historical resources.
When APNIC deregisters an unclaimed historical resource, it is marked as
reserved. The custodians will be given another 12 months to claim their
resources. If the resources haven’t been claimed after 12 months, they
will be placed in the free pool for re-delegation.
c) Account closures.
Any historical resources marked as reserved and/or reclaimed by APNIC
due to account closures will lose their “historical” status and become
“current” resources for re-delegation.
5. Advantages / Disadvantages
-----------------------------
Advantages:
Fulfilling the objective above indicated by allowing further 12 months
for reclaiming the historical resources.
Returning resources to RIR for reallocation providing additional number
of IPv4 resources to be allocated in the future.
Disadvantages:
None.
6. Impact on resource holders
-----------------------------
None.
7. References
-------------
None.
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