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Thanks Bertrand,
I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here:
"Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned".
Could the secretariat let us know if they still believe there is any text that is "unnecessarily duplicated" or if they could live with that?
Note that it seems that emails using DMARC still get wrong to the mailing list. It will be very important that the secretariat resolves that, otherwise, some participants are not getting emails from some of us (including me). So, no wonder that they don’t respond!
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 21/2/20 15:14, "Bertrand Cherrier" <mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net en nombre de mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> escribió:
Hello everyone, Thank you Jordi for this revised prop. How about this :
Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned.
It would be nice to have inputs from other members of the Policy SIG, especially from those who opposed this proposal. Regards, Cordialement,
Bertrand Cherrier Administration Systèmes - R&D Micro Logic Systems mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc https://www.mls.nc Tél : +687 24 99 24 VoIP : 65 24 99 24 SAV : +687 36 67 76 (58F/min)
On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all,
As you know, we have decided to continue the discussion of this proposal in the mailing list.
I've been thinking in a possible way to keep the "documented purposes" text as some indicated in the mike.
So, what do you feel about these two choices:
Option a) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate.
Option b) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned to other networks.
My personal preference, and following the staff analysis in v2, will be option a, but just in case the community prefers to re-state "and may not be sub-assigned to other networks" (I believe, and also according to the staff inputs that "exclusive" is already indicating it).
Just as a reminder, the actual proposal (v2) is at: https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/prop-133-v002.txt
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
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Assigned address space isn’t generally delegated to LIRs,… It’s generally delegated to end-users. Address space delegated to LIRs may then be reassigned by the LIR to itself for internal purposes.
Unless there’s a case where an LIR is receiving an assignment instead of an allocation, I think we can limit it to space that is delegated to an end-user by the RIR.
Owen
On Feb 20, 2020, at 20:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.palet@consulintel.es wrote:
Thanks Bertrand,
I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here:
"Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned".
Could the secretariat let us know if they still believe there is any text that is "unnecessarily duplicated" or if they could live with that?
Note that it seems that emails using DMARC still get wrong to the mailing list. It will be very important that the secretariat resolves that, otherwise, some participants are not getting emails from some of us (including me). So, no wonder that they don’t respond!
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 21/2/20 15:14, "Bertrand Cherrier" <mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net en nombre de mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> escribió:
Hello everyone, Thank you Jordi for this revised prop. How about this :
Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned.
It would be nice to have inputs from other members of the Policy SIG, especially from those who opposed this proposal. Regards, Cordialement,
Bertrand Cherrier Administration Systèmes - R&D Micro Logic Systems mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc https://www.mls.nc Tél : +687 24 99 24 VoIP : 65 24 99 24 SAV : +687 36 67 76 (58F/min)
On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all,
As you know, we have decided to continue the discussion of this proposal in the mailing list.
I've been thinking in a possible way to keep the "documented purposes" text as some indicated in the mike.
So, what do you feel about these two choices:
Option a) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate.
Option b) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned to other networks.
My personal preference, and following the staff analysis in v2, will be option a, but just in case the community prefers to re-state "and may not be sub-assigned to other networks" (I believe, and also according to the staff inputs that "exclusive" is already indicating it).
Just as a reminder, the actual proposal (v2) is at: https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/prop-133-v002.txt
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
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Hi Owen,
APNIC policy allows ISPs to get, in addition to the allocation, an assignment for their infrastructure.
I don’t think this is needed and I recall it doesn’t longer exist in other RIRs. May be is something else to consider and to amend as well.
The issue we are having, is that without inputs in the list, there is no way we can move on, otherwise, every 6 months, we fail again and again …
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 22/2/20 10:30, "Owen DeLong" owen@delong.com escribió:
Assigned address space isn’t generally delegated to LIRs,… It’s generally delegated to end-users. Address space delegated to LIRs may then be reassigned by the LIR to itself for internal purposes.
Unless there’s a case where an LIR is receiving an assignment instead of an allocation, I think we can limit it to space that is delegated to an end-user by the RIR.
Owen
On Feb 20, 2020, at 20:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.palet@consulintel.es wrote:
Thanks Bertrand,
I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here:
"Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned".
Could the secretariat let us know if they still believe there is any text that is "unnecessarily duplicated" or if they could live with that?
Note that it seems that emails using DMARC still get wrong to the mailing list. It will be very important that the secretariat resolves that, otherwise, some participants are not getting emails from some of us (including me). So, no wonder that they don’t respond!
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 21/2/20 15:14, "Bertrand Cherrier" <mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net en nombre de mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> escribió:
Hello everyone, Thank you Jordi for this revised prop. How about this :
Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned.
It would be nice to have inputs from other members of the Policy SIG, especially from those who opposed this proposal. Regards, Cordialement,
Bertrand Cherrier Administration Systèmes - R&D Micro Logic Systems mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc https://www.mls.nc Tél : +687 24 99 24 VoIP : 65 24 99 24 SAV : +687 36 67 76 (58F/min)
On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all,
As you know, we have decided to continue the discussion of this proposal in the mailing list.
I've been thinking in a possible way to keep the "documented purposes" text as some indicated in the mike.
So, what do you feel about these two choices:
Option a) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate.
Option b) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned to other networks.
My personal preference, and following the staff analysis in v2, will be option a, but just in case the community prefers to re-state "and may not be sub-assigned to other networks" (I believe, and also according to the staff inputs that "exclusive" is already indicating it).
Just as a reminder, the actual proposal (v2) is at: https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/prop-133-v002.txt
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
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Hi Jordi,
On 21/02/2020 3:20 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Thanks Bertrand,
I’m fine as well with this option. Repeating it here:
"Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned".
Could the secretariat let us know if they still believe there is any text that is "unnecessarily duplicated" or if they could live with that?
As reported at APNIC 49 Policy SIG, Secretariat do not have any issues with the current policy text nor the proposed text in version 2 of prop-133.
Secretariat impact assessment comments for any new versions of this proposal will be shared with the community after the proposal is formally submitted to the Policy SIG Chairs.
Note that it seems that emails using DMARC still get wrong to the mailing list. It will be very important that the secretariat resolves that, otherwise, some participants are not getting emails from some of us (including me). So, no wonder that they don’t respond!
Thanks for reporting this issue. Secretariat is looking into it and will provide an update soon.
Regards Sunny
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 21/2/20 15:14, "Bertrand Cherrier" <mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net en nombre de mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc> escribió:
Hello everyone, Thank you Jordi for this revised prop. How about this :
Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned.
It would be nice to have inputs from other members of the Policy SIG, especially from those who opposed this proposal. Regards, Cordialement,
Bertrand Cherrier Administration Systèmes - R&D Micro Logic Systems mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc https://www.mls.nc Tél : +687 24 99 24 VoIP : 65 24 99 24 SAV : +687 36 67 76 (58F/min)
On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all,
As you know, we have decided to continue the discussion of this proposal in the mailing list.
I've been thinking in a possible way to keep the "documented purposes" text as some indicated in the mike.
So, what do you feel about these two choices:
Option a) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate.
Option b) 2.2.3. Assigned address space Assigned address space is address space that is delegated to an LIR, or end-user, for specific, documented purposes and exclusive use within the infrastructure they operate and may not be sub-assigned to other networks.
My personal preference, and following the staff analysis in v2, will be option a, but just in case the community prefers to re-state "and may not be sub-assigned to other networks" (I believe, and also according to the staff inputs that "exclusive" is already indicating it).
Just as a reminder, the actual proposal (v2) is at: https://www.apnic.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/prop-133-v002.txt
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
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