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[sig-policy] Requirements for Subsequent ASN Requests
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
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ASN is an identifier for an autonomous system - so theoretically speaking, an ASN should have no dependency on multihoming or single homing However, what we need is a better way to regulate assignment of ASNs so their allocation doesn't become wasteful..
Regards, Usman
On 26 Feb 2015, at 11:16 am, Skeeve Stevens skeeve@v4now.com wrote:
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker v4Now - an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
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Usman, since an AS is defined as “A collection of prefixes with a common routing policy”, what would you use one for if not to connect to other autonomous systems? If you are connecting to a single other autonomous system, then, arguably it is impossible for your prefixes to have a distinct routing policy and you are, therefore, part of that other AS. If you are connecting to multiple other autonomous systems, then, you are, by definition multihomed.
If you have some better way to manage this, I’m all ears.
Owen
On Feb 25, 2015, at 16:26 , Usman Latif osmankh@yahoo.com wrote:
ASN is an identifier for an autonomous system - so theoretically speaking, an ASN should have no dependency on multihoming or single homing However, what we need is a better way to regulate assignment of ASNs so their allocation doesn't become wasteful..
Regards, Usman
On 26 Feb 2015, at 11:16 am, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve@v4now.com mailto:skeeve@v4now.com> wrote:
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker v4Now - an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com mailto:skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com http://www.v4now.com/ Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve <> facebook.com/v4now http://facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoaulinkedin.com/in/skeeve http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy http://twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com http://www.theispguy.com/
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Owen and Usman,
In following comments, did you consider we are discussing "public" AS numbers? Since we are discussing "public" AS, we should have some kind of justifications why it should be globally unique.
Regards, Masato
2015-02-25 18:39 GMT-06:00 Owen DeLong owen@delong.com:
Usman, since an AS is defined as “A collection of prefixes with a common routing policy”, what would you use one for if not to connect to other autonomous systems? If you are connecting to a single other autonomous system, then, arguably it is impossible for your prefixes to have a distinct routing policy and you are, therefore, part of that other AS. If you are connecting to multiple other autonomous systems, then, you are, by definition multihomed.
If you have some better way to manage this, I’m all ears.
Owen
On Feb 25, 2015, at 16:26 , Usman Latif osmankh@yahoo.com wrote:
ASN is an identifier for an autonomous system - so theoretically speaking, an ASN should have no dependency on multihoming or single homing However, what we need is a better way to regulate assignment of ASNs so their allocation doesn't become wasteful..
Regards, Usman
On 26 Feb 2015, at 11:16 am, Skeeve Stevens skeeve@v4now.com wrote:
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
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Yes, I was well aware of that. Is there anything you believe to be incorrect in my comments as a result? Otherwise, I’m not sure what you are getting at.
I believe a unique routing policy or multiple peers is sufficient justification.
Absent that, I believe that an entity which qualifies for PI and intends to multihome later should legitimately be able to obtain an ASN to simplify their build-out in anticipation of later multihoming.
This last part, is, IMHO, the only change that should be contemplated vs. the current existing policy.
Owen
On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Masato Yamanishi myamanis@gmail.com wrote:
Owen and Usman,
In following comments, did you consider we are discussing "public" AS numbers? Since we are discussing "public" AS, we should have some kind of justifications why it should be globally unique.
Regards, Masato
2015-02-25 18:39 GMT-06:00 Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com mailto:owen@delong.com>: Usman, since an AS is defined as “A collection of prefixes with a common routing policy”, what would you use one for if not to connect to other autonomous systems? If you are connecting to a single other autonomous system, then, arguably it is impossible for your prefixes to have a distinct routing policy and you are, therefore, part of that other AS. If you are connecting to multiple other autonomous systems, then, you are, by definition multihomed.
If you have some better way to manage this, I’m all ears.
Owen
On Feb 25, 2015, at 16:26 , Usman Latif <osmankh@yahoo.com mailto:osmankh@yahoo.com> wrote:
ASN is an identifier for an autonomous system - so theoretically speaking, an ASN should have no dependency on multihoming or single homing However, what we need is a better way to regulate assignment of ASNs so their allocation doesn't become wasteful..
Regards, Usman
On 26 Feb 2015, at 11:16 am, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve@v4now.com mailto:skeeve@v4now.com> wrote:
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker v4Now - an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com mailto:skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com http://www.v4now.com/ Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383 ; skype://skeeve <> facebook.com/v4now http://facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoaulinkedin.com/in/skeeve http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/theispguy http://twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com http://www.theispguy.com/
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Agreed... and I certainly don't want to see ASN's being wasted. I am happy for their to be some restrictions - even costs... but I am willing to see what the community recommends to avoid potential issues.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com
Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Usman Latif osmankh@yahoo.com wrote:
ASN is an identifier for an autonomous system - so theoretically speaking, an ASN should have no dependency on multihoming or single homing However, what we need is a better way to regulate assignment of ASNs so their allocation doesn't become wasteful..
Regards, Usman
On 26 Feb 2015, at 11:16 am, Skeeve Stevens skeeve@v4now.com wrote:
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com
Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeeve
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Hi Skeeve,
I don’t think the current policy mention about subsequent ASN assignment. Every ASN assignment is requested to meet the multihoming requirement.
For additional ASN requests, the requestors have to provide justification to show that their new AS is independent to their existing AS. They should have different routing policies and announce different IP address ranges.
Best regards,
Guangliang =========
From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve@v4now.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2015 10:16 AM To: sig-policy@lists.apnic.net Cc: Guangliang Pan Subject: Requirements for Subsequent ASN Requests
Hi Secretariat,
I would like to understand the policy/secretariats view on the justification/requirements of subsequent ASN resource requests.
...Skeeve
Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker v4Now - an eintellego Networks service skeeve@v4now.commailto:skeeve@v4now.com ; www.v4now.comhttp://www.v4now.com/
Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
facebook.com/v4nowhttp://facebook.com/v4now ; linkedin.com/in/skeevehttp://linkedin.com/in/skeeve
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