Hi Anupam, Thanks again for your comments. Just firstly want to clarify that the role and IRT are two different whois objects with different purposes and we are not proposing to make them the same. You can read more about each object here: https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/using-whois/guide/role/ https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/using-whois/guide/irt/ To accommodate the requirements in prop-125 to implement 'abuse-c', the role object was used to mirror the contact information published in the IRT object. We will be presenting more details about the proposed change at APNIC 52 to gather wider community feedback and will also share an impact assessment outlining any system changes required (if any). However we believe this is a simple change and should not affect our current systems. Regards, _______________________________________________________ George Odagi Senior Internet Resource & Policy Analyst, APNIC e: helpdesk@apnic.net p: +61 7 3858 3188 f: +61 7 3858 3199 www.apnic.net _______________________________________________________ Join the conversation: https://blog.apnic.net/ From: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> Dear George,
Once the proposed change is done, there will be no difference between the role object & irt object. Assuming, its okay with everyone to move head, is a dependency analysis available with you?
I mean by dependency analysis an exercise to confirm whether or not there is something else which is dependent on role object (being changed) and if there are dependents, whether or not there is an impact of the proposed change.
Regards Anupam
From: George Odagi
Hi Anupam,
Thanks for your feedback.
The country information is already published in other whois attributes such as in the resource records and organization object when querying an IP address or AS number.
Regarding the phone number - once it becomes optional, there is no need to populate with '+000000000' if a phone number has not been published in the IRT object itself. Currently it is forced to include the number as the attribute is mandatory in the role object.
To give you an example of the issue at hand, please see example of IRT and abuse role objects below:
irt: IRT-APNICRANDNET-AU address: PO Box 3646 address: South Brisbane, QLD 4101 address: Australia e-mail: helpdesk@apnic.net abuse-mailbox: helpdesk@apnic.net admin-c: AR302-AP tech-c: AR302-AP auth: # Filtered remarks: helpdesk@apnic.net was validated on 2021-02-09 mnt-by: MAINT-AU-APNIC-GM85-AP last-modified: 2021-03-09T01:10:21Z source: APNIC
role: ABUSE APNICRANDNETAU address: PO Box 3646 address: South Brisbane, QLD 4101 address: Australia country: ZZ phone: +000000000 e-mail: helpdesk@apnic.net admin-c: AR302-AP tech-c: AR302-AP nic-hdl: AA1412-AP remarks: Generated from irt object IRT-APNICRANDNET-AU abuse-mailbox: helpdesk@apnic.net mnt-by: APNIC-ABUSE last-modified: 2021-03-09T01:10:22Z source: APNIC
Regards,
_______________________________________________________ George Odagi Senior Internet Resource & Policy Analyst, APNIC p: +61 7 3858 3188 f: +61 7 3858 3199 www.apnic.net _______________________________________________________ Join the conversation: https://blog.apnic.net/
From: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com> Dear George,
Having the country information is definitely an advantage. If the phone number is made optional, then the issue of phone field getting populated with +00000000 will still be there if the phone number is not given.
Pardon my ignorance but the current APNIC model - it is causing an issue exactly where?
Regards -- ________________________________________________________
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