Hi Aftab:I believe your understanding of spammer operation is not at all based on reality.Actually, you are right. I have no experience of running or facilitating any spammer operations.
Spammers merely need one to two-month space, and they disappear soon. Thus, there is no point for them to undergo this temporary transfer in order to sort out all the APNIC membership with a huge amount of paper work when they can simply pay (or hijack) for an announcement and have their spam job done.I'm not sure what sort of huge paper work is required?
Have you ever experienced during your operation history: a spammer come to you and say, 'hey we want to have a proper RIR registration in our name. For this we are so scared that you will take away space from us while we are spamming?'Could you answer that directly?nah, I'll pass.
The policy which aims to bring more accurate whois databaseThis advantage is not mentioned in the policy.
for today's leasing market of space actually forces leaser to register their leaser's information in the whois database by offering protection of leasee and leaser's interest and by agreeing to set an amount time of ownership. One of the biggest risks faced by leasee is the probability of the leaser cancelling assignment or sub-allocation. This will lead to operation problem if they are not ready for network renumbering. In this sense, the protection can be an incentive for leasees to register their information properly.Your point is valid in terms of leasing but there is a fundamental problem in my opinion.As per APNIC Internet Number Resource Policy:
4.0. Resource License
It is contrary to the goals of this document and is not in the interests of the Internet community as a whole, for Internet number resources to be considered freehold property.
Neither delegation nor registration confers ownership of resources. Organizations that use them are considered "custodians" rather than "owners" of the resource, and are not entitled to sell or otherwise transfer that resource to other parties outside the provisions in this document.
Internet resources are regarded as public resources that should only be distributed according to demonstrated need.
The policies in this document are based upon the understanding that globally-unique unicast address space is licensed for use rather than owned.======And as per the Member's Obligation in membership agreement 3.2 (d) The Member must comply with this agreement and all APNIC Documents.So IMO (though I'm not a lawyer but I watch Suits if that counts), if an APNIC member is currently leasing IP addresses then they are in breach of the membership agreement.Probably APNIC Secretariat can clarify that further.
On 18 August 2017 at 07:22, Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddiqui at gmail dot com> wrote:It is already a possibility in the RIPE region to do such transfers.
And?It is really to cover a corner case where organisations are not able
or interested in receiving the IP space in form of assignments or
sub-allocations, but need them to be part of their own registry for
full control of the space and only for a pre-set amount of time.Solution is simple, if the organization is not interested in receiving the resources as assignments and sub-allocations then just buy it.What is full control? creation of route-objects? or anything which can't be done by sending an email to helpdesk at apnic dot net?I do not believe that spammer would benefit from this policy as they
would have to register with APNIC as members and provide all the
needed paperwork such as company registration papers, ID/passports,
billing address etc...It will definitely support the spammers by all means. You temperorary transfer resource to Spammer, they do their thing and get black listed everywhere and then you get the resources back and ask everyone that we are the new owner of this resource so kindly remove all the listing. REPEAT.They are much better off renting a /24 from the black market with no
traces or documented changes ion the address block.Yup, let them pay black market rates for black market business model.And what will be the temporary transfer fees? same as permanent transfer fees? or free?In order to resolve a corner case it will open up opertunities for spammers. I stronly oppose it.--Best Wishes,Aftab A. Siddiqui* sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy *
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Lu--Best Wishes,Aftab A. Siddiqui