Re: [sig-policy] prop-107-v001: AS number transfer policy proposal
We have received some requests from APNIC Members to transfer AS numbers to their downstream customers. Some APNIC Members have applied for AS numbers on behalf of their customers. That customer then becomes an APNIC Member, and requests the AS number to be transferred to their APNIC account.
Best regards,
Guangliang
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From: sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 7:55 AM
To: SIG policy
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-107-v001: AS number transfer policy proposal
Could the APNIC secretariat provide any information on the number of requests for AS number transfers they have received?
Both in terms of transfers between APNIC members, as well as from other RIRs.
Thank you
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Dean Pemberton
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Andy Linton <asjl at lpnz dot org> wrote:
> Dear SIG members
>
> The proposal "prop-107-v001: AS number transfer policy proposal"
> has been sent to the Policy SIG for review. It will be presented at
> the Policy SIG at APNIC 36 in Xi'an, China, on Thursday, 29 August 2013.
> We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing
> list before the meeting.
>
> The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an
> important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to
> express your views on the proposal:
>
> - Do you support or oppose this proposal?
> - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so,
> tell the community about your situation.
> - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal?
> - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
> - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more
> effective?
>
>
> Information about this and other policy proposals is available from:
>
> http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/107
>
> Andy, Masato
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> prop-107-v001: AS number transfer policy proposal
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Author: Tomohiro Fujisaki <fujisaki at syce dot net>
>
>
> 1. Problem statement
> --------------------
>
> In the APNIC region, IPv4 transfer policy has been implemented since
> February 2010.
>
> On the other hand, there is no transfer policy for AS numbers, while
> some demands for transfers of AS numbers between AS number holders are
> have been observed through individual feedback to the proposal author.
>
> - There are a few requests to transfer the AS number with IPv4 address
> at the same time. However, currently, AS numbers are not able
> transfer under the transfer policy and only under M&A.
>
> - Currently, there is no policy for transfers of AS numbers between
> RIRs. M&A policy allows transfers of AS number only within the same
> RIR region. However, there are expected to be some cases where
> organizations wish to transfer both IPv4 address and AS number at the
> same time to an LIR in other RIR region.
>
> - AS number is also limited resource, and it is meaningful to promote
> efficient use with transfer policy.
>
>
> 2. Objective of policy change
> -----------------------------
> The objective of this proposal is to allow transfer of AS numbers
> between organizations in the APNIC region, as well as with members of
> other RIRs, if a counterpart RIR has adopted an equivalent transfer
> policy for AS numbers.
>
>
> 3. Situation in other regions
> -----------------------------
>
> Intra-region transfer policy:
>
> ARIN:
> There is a AS number transfer policy in the ARIN region.
>
> No other RIRs implement AS number transfer policy.
>
> Inter-RIR transfer policy:
>
> ARIN:
> There was a Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-1 which allows
> Inter-RIR ASN transfers, but it was abandoned by ARIN AC in June 2013.
> (see https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2013_1.html)
>
> ARIN AC said the reason as follows in their statements; (see
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2013-July/027028.html)
> "Based on the feedback received at the ARIN 31 Public Policy Meeting,
> and at the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 58, the ARIN AC voted
> to abandon ARIN-2013-1 "Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers of ASNs". The
> feedback from the community indicated that many people felt the policy
> was unnecessary as it would have no effect until/unless another RIR
> expresses interest in allowing Inter-RIR ASN transfers as well.
>
>
> 4. Proposed policy solution
> ----------------------------
> AS numbers may be transferred if recipient of the transfer will meets
> the criteria under the current APNIC policy for an assignment of AS
> numbers.
>
> Inter-regional AS number transfers may take place only via RIRs who
> agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible, needs-based
> policies.
>
>
> 5. Explain the advantages of the proposal
> -----------------------------------------
> Just like IPv4 addresses, AS numbers are finite resource. This
> proposal promotes efficient use of AS numbers by allowing transfers of
> AS numbers, which is no longer needed by the existing holders.
>
>
> 6. Explain the disadvantages of the proposal
> --------------------------------------------
> No disadvantages.
>
>
> 7. Impact on resource holders
> -----------------------------
> NIRs are able to choose whether or not to implement this policy.
>
>
> 8. References (if required)
> ---------------------------
>
> ARIN's AS number transfer policy:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#eight3
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