Hi Terry and Geoff As requested, information from the Secretariat, inline below. On 3/6/09 9:25 PM, Terry Manderson wrote:
Hi Geoff, On 03/06/2009, at 5:33 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: [..]A: addresses held by current financial members of APNIC,B: addresses held by non-members of APNIC who pay APNIC a non-member service fee associated with the address holding, andC: there are "historical" address resources which are listed in the APNIC databases and the listed holder is not a financial member and the address is not the subject of an annual maintenance feeMy intent was to say that addresses in categories A and B are "current" addresses and may be transferred, and category C addresses are not eligible to be transferred. In the later case the entity concerned can become a member or reestablish a relationship with APNIC and pay an annual maintenance fee and then the addresses are eligible for transfer.That sounds onerous (cost wise) on an organisation that 1) holds historical addresses, 2) wishes to pass them to another entity for valid use.The reason why I felt that this was appropriate is that addresses in category C may, or may not, have a clear and current record of the current holder of the address resource and the process of making the addresses current within APNIC's existing processes uses a set of procedures thatI think this represents a level of uncertainty if those "C" addresses cannot be sensibly brought into the framework rapidly through a suitable process or there is some doubt as to the current holder. Such that category C resources left out there may exist and foster some black market which is untraceable and leaves the registry with holes. Something to try to avoid perhaps.I would urge the secretariat to confirm that all those category C allocations are demonstrably with those organisations and APNIC can confirm that the registry is sane before committing to a larger transfer policy. That may be costly to the secretariat, but of a larger significant benefit to the community.
Transfers for addresses in category C are covered by the existing "Policies for the transfer of historical Internet resources" in the policy document, "Policies for historical Internet resources in the APNIC Whois Database": http://www.apnic.net/historical-resources#transfer
call on the holder to demonstrate their continuing association with the addresses - it was hoped that this would improve, to some extent, the integrity of transfer transactions in so far as the intent was that transfer transactions would be registered when both parties were "known" to APNIC, and APNIC would avoid becoming a party to possibly fraudulent transfer transactions.
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