Re: [sig-policy] Prop-050 concerns from RIPE
But it is my view that Randy's comments were rude and accusative and they gave me and others (who emailed me directly) the impression that the comments and opinions of those outside of APNIC were not welcome - but yes, I agree that others may have viewed it entirely differently.
And while John comments that it may have been a clarification that the comment from RIPE was from 'just another non-APNIC member', I believe the deliverer of an opinion does carry some weight as to its overall value.
Also, thanks for reminding me that there are many members of this list who are not native English speakers. I do often use some English/Australian slang of localisations, and I should be mindful of that when constructing my emails. James did point this out to me a while ago, but I've forgotten over time.
If anyone doesn't exactly understand what I am meaning, please email me directly and I will endeavour to make myself more understandable.
...Skeeve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seiichi Kawamura [mailto:kawamucho at msa.biglobe dot ne dot jp]
> Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 2:59 AM
> To: Skeeve Stevens
> Cc: Randy Bush; Sander Steffann; sig-policy at lists dot apnic dot net
> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Prop-050 concerns from RIPE
>
> Skeeve,
>
> I think all posts to this mailing list deserve respect
> and should be heard, just as you say. But I think Randy was just
> confirming if the opionion was from RIPE itself (as the title of the
> e-mail says) or if it is an opinion from a person from the RIPE region.
> Clarifying is always important, especially for ISPs in small non-
> english
> speaking countries like mine. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Seiichi
>
>
> > I did something that I don't normally do... sat on my initial
> response to this email for a couple of days.
> >
> > But my feelings are still the same. Randy, your manner is quite rude
> in what I see to be very useful comments from our brothers at RIPE,
> comments that I wholeheartedly support and also support their right to
> make them - whether it had been discussed on their list or not. These
> are genuine comments/concerns from another RIR and should be considered
> seriously.
> >
> > If a non-APNIC member has the ability to become elected to the EC,
> then reasonably they should also be able to comment on policy, partake
> in discussions and so on. If this is not the case and there is a rule
> against this, can someone please advise?
> >
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:sig-policy-
> >> bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
> >> Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 8:38 AM
> >> To: Sander Steffann
> >> Cc: sig-policy at lists dot apnic dot net
> >> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Prop-050 concerns from RIPE
> >>
> >>>>> As co-chair of the RIPE Address Policy Working Group I would like
> >> to
> >>>>> express our concern about prop-050.
> >>>> this is an official statement of the ripe address policy wg? this
> >> was
> >>>> discussed on the wg's mailing list and consensus was reached?
> >>> Sorry for the confusion. No, this was not discussed on the RIPE
> APWG
> >>> mailing list. This is just the APWG chairs having some concerns :)
> >> so, it is actually the comment one non-apnic person. thank you for
> >> your
> >> input.
> >>
> >> randy
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