Re: [sig-policy] Prop-050 concerns from RIPE
Can someone remind me of the timeframe of the comment period... as in, when does it end?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sig-policy-bounces at lists dot apnic dot net [mailto:sig-policy-
> bounces at lists dot apnic dot net] On Behalf Of Terry Manderson
> Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 2:55 PM
> To: Sam Dickinson
> Cc: Randy Bush; sig-policy at lists dot apnic dot net
> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Prop-050 concerns from RIPE
>
> Sam and all,
>
> Very helpful thanks..
>
> So if the consensus is maintained with Prop-050 may I respectfully
> recommend the EC and Secretariat to keep to a 6 month (or longer)
> implementation time to allow the machine to churn through Prop-071/072
> and meet up with prop-050 at implementation if possible.
>
> I accept this appears as a slippery slope. And if prop-050 needs such
> a crutch then maybe policy itself is immature, needs work and we as a
> community might consider to not maintain the consensus call.
>
> Terry
>
> On 16/04/2009, at 12:07 PM, Sam Dickinson wrote:
>
> > Hello Terry
> >
> > You are correct in remembering that the Secretariat had posted to
> > this list that if a proposal like prop-050 were to become policy, it
> > would take six months after EC to implement it. As stated in that
> > earlier post, that timeline could change a little once we create a
> > detailed implementation plan. Implementation usually takes around 3
> > months, but can happen sooner or later, depending on the
> > complexities of implementation. We have had policies implemented
> > within days of EC endorsement (for example, prop-041) and policies
> > that have taken as long as 11 months to implement (for example,
> > prop-007).
> >
> > I hope that helps.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sam
> >
> > On 16/4/09 10:10 AM, Terry Manderson wrote:
> >> Before I make any comments regarding the potential for a "gap" in
> >> regulation (and people capitalising on it) between the
> >> implementation of Prop-050 and the possible implementation of
> >> Prop-071/072 (assuming consensus) perhaps we might consider the
> >> timelines for the secretariat to implement and enact the policies.
> >> From what I recall APNIC said it would take 6 months to implement
> >> Prop-50 after EC endorsement.
> >> I'm guessing that since Prop-071/072 are modifications to Prop-50
> >> in re-application/allocation times (in essence) I would think that
> >> if consensus for them was reached at APNIC28, they could be
> >> implemented immediately after EC endorsement.
> >> So my presumption is that due to the 6 months implementation time
> >> of Prop-50. Prop071 and 072 could be implemented at the same time.
> >> (*)
> >> (*) Yes, this means that prop071/072 are in a win/loss state - if
> >> they don't reach consensus at APNIC28 they are pretty well done
> for.
> >> APNIC secretariat, can you please clarify if my reading of the
> >> timelines is correct and provide the exact dates when items fall
> due?
> >> Cheers
> >> Terry
> >> On 16/04/2009, at 8:43 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> >>> FWIW, I share these concerns.
> >>>
> >>> -Scott
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 15, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy at psg dot com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>> As co-chair of the RIPE Address Policy Working Group I would
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> express our concern about prop-050.
> >>>>>> this is an official statement of the ripe address policy wg?
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>> discussed on the wg's mailing list and consensus was reached?
> >>>>> Sorry for the confusion. No, this was not discussed on the RIPE
> >>>>> APWG
> >>>>> mailing list. This is just the APWG chairs having some concerns
> :)
> >>>> so, it is actually the comment one non-apnic person. thank you
> for
> >>>> your
> >>>> input.
> >>>>
> >>>> randy
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