Re: [sig-policy] prop-066: Ensuring efficient use of historical IPv4 res
Izumi Okutani said the following on 20/8/08 19:21:
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> yes. that was a question that came up to my mind as well.
> how would APNIC associate LIR and historical address holder?
Will, if NEMO-ISP of Brisbane has ERX address space and APNIC address
space, then it would be quite obvious would it not? At the moment they
only have to declare previous allocations, not ERX or other historical
allocations.
But if the names were different, addresses different, it is very hard to
link them, I agree. How is it done today?
> there could be cases where an LIR holds historical address space, but
> netname is registered differently (due to change in org name, etc) and
> it will remain unnoticed.
Agreed. How do APNIC and the NIRs resolve this issue today? If an
organisation wants to be come an LIR, how do you check that they aren't
already an existing LIR? It'd be the same process, right?
(I feel this is implementation detail, which I believe the Policy SIG
isn't permitted to look at? Or?)
> there were a few other questions/concerned expressed from members in JP
> which were:
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> Questions:
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> + Could such historical space be treated the same way as portable
> allocations and allowed to make assignments to other organizations?
I've no idea. But how is this relevant to the proposal? How do APNIC and
the NIRs treat previous allocations at the moment?
> (if not, it is likely to be diffcult to use it only within
> infrastructure and not to receive subsequent allocations for customer
> assignments)
>
> + Would the usage in LIR's LAN (for servers, routers, etc) outside of
> their ISP service be considered as utilized?
> (if it won't be considered as utilized, what is the rationale?)
Again, isn't this implementation detail? How do APNIC and the NIRs make
judgements at the moment? All the proposal seeks to do is include
historical address space in new allocation calculations. It really isn't
for us to say how APNIC or the NIRs should be doing their jobs. Or do
you want us to?
> + How does APNIC/NIR hostmasters evaluate whether the space is
> efficiently utilized? If this criteria is vague, it is difficult for
> LIRs to know what is the definition of "efficient" utilization and take
> necessary actions
How do you do it today? ;-)
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> Concern:
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> (probably not surprisingly)
> + Concerns were expressed from LIRs holding historical address space
> that since historical address space and standard portable allocations
> are assigned for different purpose, it is difficult to
Again, not sure how this is relevant to the proposal. It's implementation.
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> # I will ask more details about why this would be of a concern, but
> simply passing the comment for now
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> To summarize, in principle, JPNIC sympathize with the proposal, but
> would like to clarify these points before making the decision.
All the points, I feel, are implementation details that APNIC and the
NIRs normally sort out once a policy gains approval. I'm not sure we'd
want the policy process to stipulate how to implement policies? Or do we?
Maybe APNIC can comment?
philip
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