Re: [apnic-talk] Demonstrated Need Transfers - Seeking Opinions
Hi Skeeve,
On 05/06/14 03:50, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hi Elvis,
I've been pondering just this kind of policy proposal for the APNIC
region - which is why I started the thread to see what the communities
thoughts on DN was.
Well, I have seen Sandra's proposal in the RIPE Region and I was
impressed on how well it was made. That is why I asked her if she would
be willing to come up with the same proposal (or something similar) for
the APNIC region. Just because she has already done most of the work,
and it was work very well done :)
If she does not respond or does not want/have the time to propose a
policy change in APNIC, we should definitely start working on something
to present at APNIC38.
I am still undecided on DN personally, but I do appreciate the
consistency of policy, or at least policy that is in line with other
regions requirements.
I used to work as Hostmaster/IPRA at the RIPE NCC. I was the one
applying the demonstrated need to each request received from members.
While I agree that it used to be a very useful part of policy, since
depletion of the free pool has hit most of the regions, I think that DN
is no longer useful. It will be the company that needs them most or the
company with most money that will get the resources, one way or another,
regardless of the DN.
In addition, DN is not a very fair concept. It relies on all the members
(on one side) understanding every letter of the policy and all the RIR
staff (on the other side) applying exactly the same procedures
consistently. There will always exist differences of opinion between two
people during the evaluation of the same request, no matter how
consistent a registration department tries to be. Even the same person
will look at a request with different eyes based on its mood at the time
of the evaluation.
I think the policy shouldn't 'remove' DN for all regions, but make it
compatible with the reasons... a dynamic policy as such..
Something like 'if the region the resource is being transferred from
required a DN, then the same DN requirements will exist in the APNIC
region for inter-RIR transfers from that region'.
That is basically the same idea behind the RIPE policy proposal 2014-05
and the same idea behind the policy proposal which I wanted to make to
the APNIC community.
I'd also like to see the inter-RIR transfer rules tightened so that if
a region allows in-bound, but not out-bound, then the APNIC region
would not allow outbound to that region.
Well, that would be difficult to put in words, but let's talk about it.
I am in favor of removing all limitations and not adding further ones.
There are also some considerations regarding different policies of
NIR's as well... this would need to be addressed in the policy.
Here is where you may be very useful :-) I do not have extended
knowledge of the NIRs policies regarding transfers. I have been talking
to some representatives of NIRs when I was in Xi'An at APNIC36 but my
current knowledge is limited.
cheers,
Elvis
(a very young member of this community)