Re: [ph-isp] phnic confederation
On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, joel disini wrote:
> Hmmm. So do you think APNIC will REJECT all other potential confederations
> because one already exists in the Philippines, mainly the Iphil-led PHNIC?
I don't think so.
>
> Frankly, I don't see how APNIC could possibly turn down any other Confederations from the
> Philippines given that the PHNIC membership rules, requiring member ISPs to CURRENTLY
> have 2 upstream providers, effectively cuts off about 95% of the local ISP population. Only a few big players will qualify to join your club.
It won't. If PHNIC provides poor service, there is nothing wrong
with organizing another confederation which will offer better service.
In fact, f PHNIC were to provide superior service and others want
worse service, they can organize a new confederation. B-)
Having said that, I will point out that in some cases, having
only one organization does have its advantages.
> What is clear to me, is that if you succeed in your endeavor to be the sole APNIC Confederation, then the rest of us small ISPs will practically be UNABLE to get provider-independent IP blocks. As you know, IP renumbering is a VERY DIFFICULT process, especially for ISPs who haven't planned in
In the initial discussion of organizing a confederation, I always
pointed out that the confederation can never be a monopoly.
> advance. For starters, most of us will have to tell our *ENTIRE* client base to change their TCP/IP stacks to point to different domain name servers. In a lot of cases this will mean extensive calls to all our clients, or extensive client visits, just to get them to use a renumbered DNS, or to let
> them use DHCP. Then there are the internal problems, having to renumber our internal machines, modify our authentication servers, and routing tables. Then we have to modify all our technical documentation, as well as our installation diskettes.
>
> The end result is that it will become very, very hard for small ISPs to switch upstream providers. If a small ISP wanted to have the ability to choose upstream providers at will - w/o having to fork over some US$5000 annually to APNIC - they'd first have to get a secondary upstream link. Then
> they'd have to wait 2-3 months for the leased line. Then they'd have to apply for membership with PHNIC. Then, if membership is granted, they'd have to apply for IP space. Then we renumber, reconfigure our entire client base, modify our network, train our tech support staff, modify our diskettes,
> and modify our technical documentation. Then and only then is the small ISP able to switch upstream providers "at will".
>
> As you can see, it becomes very difficult for the small ISP to switch upstream providers. Horribly difficult. And tedious. And Expensive. But then - that is what you wanted to achieve anyway, isn't it? :-)
This is the same problem that first level ISPs have. The
problem of renumbering when switching providers. Unfortunately, the
availability of the portable IP blocks have to be balanced with the
need to keep down the number of routing table entries.
- bombim
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