Thanks Anupam for your opinion. Does anyone have anything to discuss on Concern 2 and comment on Anupam’s opinion?
P.S. I have changed the subject of the email for ease of following
Regards
Amrita
From: Anupam Agrawal anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com
Sent: 17 June 2021 19:43
To: Amrita Choudhury amritachoudhury@ccaoi.in; wg-pdr@apnic.net
Cc: Bertrand Cherrier b.cherrier@micrologic.nc
Subject: Re: [wg-pdr] OPM is approaching
To look into this issue, refuge was taken in RFC 7020 - “The Internet Numbers Registry System” to understand LIRs and their roles. The RFC states in Section 3 opening paragraph that “LIRs in turn serve their respective number resource consumers (which may be themselves, their customers, "sub-LIRs", etc.)”. Going by this, assignment from allocated resources is absolutely possible and the same is what is reflected in 2.1.3.
Going further, The RFC states In Section 3 under the paragraph heading “Local IRs”, that “LIRs perform IP address allocation services for their customers, typically ISPs, end users, or child LIRs (also known as "sub-LIRs”)”. Herein, also the role covers the intent of allocation and assignment as expressed in 2.2.2 & 2.2.3 as it covers both end users and sub LIRs and the case in point is that LIRs are end users themselves at times.
So in my opinion, it is okay for the LIRs to assign resources to themselves from the allocations and definitions in 2.2.2 & 2.2.3 is merely describing an act and possibly should not be construed as a limiting condition for 2.1.3.
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On 17-Jun-2021, at 6:55 AM, Amrita Choudhury <amritachoudhury@ccaoi.in mailto:amritachoudhury@ccaoi.in > wrote:
Dear Bertrand: Thank you for providing the clarity on the remit of this group and the need to speed up the discussions if we want to produce some meaningful outcome before next meeting.
Dear Fellow working group members,
An update first. Simon Baroi has agreed to be a Co- Chair of this WG ????
Now to get back to what is ahead of us, lets refer back to the Secretariat Report ( https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/apnic-policy-document-review-report.pdf https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/apnic-policy-document-review-r... ) and look at the operational concerns. I have been told that there is some development expected in the Operational Concern 1 (slide 12) so we need not look into that, at the moment.
Lets begin with Slide 13 Operational Concern 2
“Address space –
Section 2.2 – There is confusion about whether Allocated address space can be used for subdelegating to customers, as well as be assigned in their own network infrastructure.
• The only direct indication in the policy that LIRs may assign space to themselves for their own infrastructure is in the definition of an LIR at 2.1.3.
• This is somewhat contradicted by the definition of Delegated address space at 2.2.1. which implies that Assignments are for an organization’s own infrastructure and Allocations are for subsequent delegation to customers.”
Any comments or inputs on this one?
Regards
Amrita
From: Bertrand Cherrier <b.cherrier@micrologic.nc mailto:b.cherrier@micrologic.nc >
Sent: 15 June 2021 11:27
To: wg-pdr@apnic.net mailto:wg-pdr@apnic.net
Subject: [wg-pdr] OPM is approaching
Hello everyone,
I'm glad to see you all working together to achieve the same goal.
This working group has to come up with a proposal for the OPM at APNIC 52
The call for proposal will be open on July 5th with the deadline on August 6th, so it leaves about 8 weeks
To gain in clarity, it's better to have multiple proposals than only one with all the modifications in it.
To resolve the identified issues, the proposals have to address the observations and operational concerns.
You have to focus on the document and avoid talks that are out of scope, but keep track of this other things, they will lead to new props :-)
A quick clarification, it's not Sunny's report, it's the Secretariat's report.
Keep the good work going !
Regards,
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