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Hi,
Chanki Park said the following on 23/11/05 17:43:
Procedural matter? Can you explain what you mean by this?
Sure,
The [prop-028-v001]"Abolishing IPv6 per address fee for NIRs" proposal went through the following steps.
The proposal was drafted by NIR community and discussed on NIR SIG M/L.
The proposal was discussed at NIR SIG of Open Policy Meeting.
- We had a few objections, but consensus was reached among NIR members.
NIR SIG Chair reported at the APNIC Member Meeting.
- There were a few objections, but the consensus was also reached.
The proposal is went through 8 weeks comments period.
- We had four objections.
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Yes, I follow the sig-policy mailing list closely, read all that before...
This still doesn't explain why this is a procedural matter.
I am not sure if NIRs had ever operated in secret. At first, just like any other policy proposal, only a few people who are interested got together drafted the proposal based on their discussion.
Right, that's how everything begins...
However, after that things went open, discussed on open NIR SIG M/L as well as face to face APNIC Open Policy Meeting. We followed APNIC policy development process. If you look at the APNIC web site, it's there.
So, please explain your sentence: "Some people are getting together to discuss and decide what should be proper way to proceed."
What people?
And how can those people make a decision on the proper way to proceed?
Without quoting the APNIC website back to you, I'd imagine the procedure now is that the proposal will be reworked so that it achieves consensus at the next APNIC Member Meeting. This is definitely not a few people getting together and making a decision.
Now I am seeking members wisdom openly, will it do? :)
So your e-mail was really a call for volunteers to help reformulate the proposal? Why didn't you say that at the start?
I volunteer to help, and I'm sure some of the other people who had good input at the last APNIC meeting will also be delighted to help.
philip --
excuse my being even more rudely american than usual.
Chanki Park said the following on 23/11/05 17:43:
i do not receive chanki's messages, i am on the sig-policy list, and i have checked my last week of spam archive. this is a problem.
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i strongly agree with chanki. there is a real and serious process problem.
the nirs held an nir meeting and voted themselves to not pay a previously agreed fee. [ apnic, could we please schedule an lir meeting for perth so the lirs can vote ourselved out of fees? ]
the matter went before the general policy membership and had serious objection from non-nir folk, and support or silence from the nir folk who voted themselves the savings [0].
chanki now wants to push the policy change through anyway, despite objections in the meeting and on the mailing list.
yep, this is a real process problem. no kidding.
</rant>
i think it would be most constructive to follow the lead of folk such as izumi-san in trying to create a substitute fiscal plan with which to replace the existing fee, as has been discussed here a number of times.
randy
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[0] - my apologies to izumi-san and maybe one or two other nir folk who actually are trying to follow apnic policy process.