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[sig-policy] Revised prop-116-v003: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block
Dear SIG members
A new version of the proposal "prop-116: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
Information about earlier versions is available from:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-116
You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose the proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Please find the text of the proposal below.
Kind Regards,
Masato and Sumon
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prop-116-v003: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block
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Proposer: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.net
1. Problem statement --------------------
There are a lot of transfers of IPv4 address blocks from 103/8 happening, both within the APNIC region and among RIRs.
Then number of transfer from 103/8 block are about 200, which is about 12% of the total number of transfers. This looks so high since APNIC manages about 40/8.
And based on the information provided by APNIC secretariat, number of transfers from the 103/8 block are increasing year by year.
Updated by APNIC Secretariat on 27 January 2017:
1) M&A transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+- | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+- | 2011 | 3 | 12 | | 2012 | 10 | 46 | | 2013 | 18 | 66 | | 2014 | 126 | 498 | | 2015 | 147 | 573 | | 2016 | 63 | 239 | +------+-----------+------------+-
2) Market transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+ | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+ | 2011 | 2 | 2 | | 2012 | 21 | 68 | | 2013 | 16 | 61 | | 2014 | 25 | 95 | | 2015 | 67 | 266 | | 2016 | 103 | 394 | +------+-----------+-----------+
And also, transfers from the 103/8 block include: - Take place within 1 year of distribution, or - Multiple blocks to a single organization in case of beyond 1 year.
Further, there is a case where a single organization have received 12 blocks transfers from 103 range.
see: https://www.apnic.net/transfer-resources/transfer-logs
From these figures, it is quite likely that substantial number of 103/8
blocks are being used for transfer purpose.
This conflicts with the concept of distribution of 103/8 block (prop-062), which is intended to accommodate minimum IPv4 address blocks for new comers.
°°prop-062: Use of final /8 °°https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-062
2. Objective of policy change -----------------------------
When stated problem is solved, distribution from 103/8 block will be consistent with its original purpose, for distribution for new entrants to the industry. Without the policy change, substantial portion of 103/8 blocks will be consumed for transfer purpose.
3. Situation in other regions -----------------------------
None.
4. Proposed policy solution ---------------------------
Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under /8 address block (103/8) which have not passed two years after its allocation/assignment. If the address block allocated to a LIR in two years is not needed any more, it must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
In the case of transfers due to M&A, merged organization can have up to /22 IPv4 address in the 103/8 block in principle. If there are technical reasons such as all address is used in separate networks and announced from multiple ASes, merged organization can keep them. Otherwise, the 103/8 IPv4 address more than /22 must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
5. Advantages / Disadvantages -----------------------------
Advantages: - It makes 103/8 blocks available according to the original purpose, as distribution for new entrants (rather than being consumed for transfer purpose)
- IPv4 addresses under final /8 are not transferred to outside APNIC.
- By prohibiting transfer them, it is possible to keep one /22 for each LIRs state, which is fair for all LIRs.
Disadvantages:
None.
6. Impact on resource holders ------------------------------
- LIRs cannot transfer address blocks under 103/8. No big impact while they use it.
- Organizations which needs to receive transferred IPv4 can continue to do so, outside 103/8 blocks (which should be made available for new entrants)
7. References -------------
Dear chairs
In my view there is no point in prohibiting transfer as a proxy to prohibiting ’sales' because people will still carry out those sales and all that will happen is that they will not be registered correctly any more.
I also agree with Mike Henderson, with the current role/strategy for RIRs there is no need for any more changes to IPv4 policy.
regards Jay
On 30/01/2017, at 12:39 AM, Sumon Ahmed Sabir sumon@fiberathome.net wrote:
Dear SIG members
A new version of the proposal "prop-116: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
Information about earlier versions is available from:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-116
You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose the proposal?
- Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
- What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Please find the text of the proposal below.
Kind Regards,
Masato and Sumon
prop-116-v003: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block
Proposer: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.net
- Problem statement
There are a lot of transfers of IPv4 address blocks from 103/8 happening, both within the APNIC region and among RIRs.
Then number of transfer from 103/8 block are about 200, which is about 12% of the total number of transfers. This looks so high since APNIC manages about 40/8.
And based on the information provided by APNIC secretariat, number of transfers from the 103/8 block are increasing year by year.
Updated by APNIC Secretariat on 27 January 2017:
- M&A transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+- | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+- | 2011 | 3 | 12 | | 2012 | 10 | 46 | | 2013 | 18 | 66 | | 2014 | 126 | 498 | | 2015 | 147 | 573 | | 2016 | 63 | 239 | +------+-----------+------------+-
- Market transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+ | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+ | 2011 | 2 | 2 | | 2012 | 21 | 68 | | 2013 | 16 | 61 | | 2014 | 25 | 95 | | 2015 | 67 | 266 | | 2016 | 103 | 394 | +------+-----------+-----------+
And also, transfers from the 103/8 block include:
- Take place within 1 year of distribution, or
- Multiple blocks to a single organization in case of beyond 1 year.
Further, there is a case where a single organization have received 12 blocks transfers from 103 range.
see: https://www.apnic.net/transfer-resources/transfer-logs
From these figures, it is quite likely that substantial number of 103/8 blocks are being used for transfer purpose.
This conflicts with the concept of distribution of 103/8 block (prop-062), which is intended to accommodate minimum IPv4 address blocks for new comers.
°°prop-062: Use of final /8 °°https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-062
- Objective of policy change
When stated problem is solved, distribution from 103/8 block will be consistent with its original purpose, for distribution for new entrants to the industry. Without the policy change, substantial portion of 103/8 blocks will be consumed for transfer purpose.
- Situation in other regions
None.
- Proposed policy solution
Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under /8 address block (103/8) which have not passed two years after its allocation/assignment. If the address block allocated to a LIR in two years is not needed any more, it must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
In the case of transfers due to M&A, merged organization can have up to /22 IPv4 address in the 103/8 block in principle. If there are technical reasons such as all address is used in separate networks and announced from multiple ASes, merged organization can keep them. Otherwise, the 103/8 IPv4 address more than /22 must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
- Advantages / Disadvantages
Advantages:
It makes 103/8 blocks available according to the original purpose, as distribution for new entrants (rather than being consumed for transfer purpose)
IPv4 addresses under final /8 are not transferred to outside APNIC.
By prohibiting transfer them, it is possible to keep one /22 for each LIRs state, which is fair for all LIRs.
Disadvantages:
None.
- Impact on resource holders
LIRs cannot transfer address blocks under 103/8. No big impact while they use it.
Organizations which needs to receive transferred IPv4 can continue to do so, outside 103/8 blocks (which should be made available for new entrants)
- References
sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy *
sig-policy mailing list sig-policy@lists.apnic.net https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sumon Ahmed Sabir sumon@fiberathome.net wrote:
- Market transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+ | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+ | 2011 | 2 | 2 | | 2012 | 21 | 68 | | 2013 | 16 | 61 | | 2014 | 25 | 95 | | 2015 | 67 | 266 | | 2016 | 103 | 394 | +------+-----------+-----------+
Would it be possible, for this and the preceding table, to have a column with "Number of allocation made"? This may help put the increasing trend in context.
Dear Tomohiro,
Thanks for reviewing your policy proposal prop-116. I have some questions would like to have your clarifications.
4. Proposed policy solution ---------------------------
In the case of transfers due to M&A, merged organization can have up to /22 IPv4 address in the 103/8 block in principle. If there are technical reasons such as all address is used in separate networks and announced from multiple ASes, merged organization can keep them. Otherwise, the 103/8 IPv4 address more than /22 must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
Questions:
1. Will M&A be subject to two year limitation as well? 2. If a member has not received a /22 delegation from the 103/8 block but received a /22 IPv4 transfer from the 103/8 block, can this member still qualify for a /22 delegation from the 103/8 from APNIC? 3. If we allow transfers based on announced by different ASes, should we request them to return the resources if they announce by same AS after transfer?
Some of the statements in Advantages/Disadvantages and Impact sessions appear to be outdated by the change to a two-year limit.
Best regards,
Guangliang Pan (Benny) Registration Services Manager, APNIC Email: gpan@apnic.net SIP: gpan@voip.apnic.net Phone: +61 7 3858 3188 http://www.apnic.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- * You can now call APNIC Helpdesk for free using Skype. For more information visit: www.apnic.net/helpdesk
From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Sumon Ahmed Sabir Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2017 9:39 PM To: sig-policy@apnic.net Subject: [sig-policy] Revised prop-116-v003: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block
Dear SIG members
A new version of the proposal "prop-116: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
Information about earlier versions is available from:
http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-116
You are encouraged to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose the proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Please find the text of the proposal below.
Kind Regards,
Masato and Sumon
-------------------------------------------------------
prop-116-v003: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in the final /8 block
-------------------------------------------------------
Proposer: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.netmailto:fujisaki@syce.net
1. Problem statement --------------------
There are a lot of transfers of IPv4 address blocks from 103/8 happening, both within the APNIC region and among RIRs.
Then number of transfer from 103/8 block are about 200, which is about 12% of the total number of transfers. This looks so high since APNIC manages about 40/8.
And based on the information provided by APNIC secretariat, number of transfers from the 103/8 block are increasing year by year.
Updated by APNIC Secretariat on 27 January 2017:
1) M&A transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+- | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+- | 2011 | 3 | 12 | | 2012 | 10 | 46 | | 2013 | 18 | 66 | | 2014 | 126 | 498 | | 2015 | 147 | 573 | | 2016 | 63 | 239 | +------+-----------+------------+-
2) Market transfers containing 103/8 space
+------+-----------+-----------+ | | Total | Number of | | Year | Transfers | /24s | +------+-----------+-----------+ | 2011 | 2 | 2 | | 2012 | 21 | 68 | | 2013 | 16 | 61 | | 2014 | 25 | 95 | | 2015 | 67 | 266 | | 2016 | 103 | 394 | +------+-----------+-----------+
And also, transfers from the 103/8 block include: - Take place within 1 year of distribution, or - Multiple blocks to a single organization in case of beyond 1 year.
Further, there is a case where a single organization have received 12 blocks transfers from 103 range.
see: https://www.apnic.net/transfer-resources/transfer-logs
From these figures, it is quite likely that substantial number of 103/8 blocks are being used for transfer purpose.
This conflicts with the concept of distribution of 103/8 block (prop-062), which is intended to accommodate minimum IPv4 address blocks for new comers.
°°prop-062: Use of final /8 °°https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-062
2. Objective of policy change -----------------------------
When stated problem is solved, distribution from 103/8 block will be consistent with its original purpose, for distribution for new entrants to the industry. Without the policy change, substantial portion of 103/8 blocks will be consumed for transfer purpose.
3. Situation in other regions -----------------------------
None.
4. Proposed policy solution ---------------------------
Prohibit transfer IPv4 addresses under /8 address block (103/8) which have not passed two years after its allocation/assignment. If the address block allocated to a LIR in two years is not needed any more, it must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
In the case of transfers due to M&A, merged organization can have up to /22 IPv4 address in the 103/8 block in principle. If there are technical reasons such as all address is used in separate networks and announced from multiple ASes, merged organization can keep them. Otherwise, the 103/8 IPv4 address more than /22 must return to APNIC to allocate to another organization using final /8 policy.
5. Advantages / Disadvantages -----------------------------
Advantages: - It makes 103/8 blocks available according to the original purpose, as distribution for new entrants (rather than being consumed for transfer purpose)
- IPv4 addresses under final /8 are not transferred to outside APNIC.
- By prohibiting transfer them, it is possible to keep one /22 for each LIRs state, which is fair for all LIRs.
Disadvantages:
None.
6. Impact on resource holders ------------------------------
- LIRs cannot transfer address blocks under 103/8. No big impact while they use it.
- Organizations which needs to receive transferred IPv4 can continue to do so, outside 103/8 blocks (which should be made available for new entrants)
7. References -------------
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