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As I promised, it my summary of what went wrong.
The only thing that went wrong is that you didn't get the outcome you wanted. The policy development process was followed precisely.
(How can four objections out of 1,000 members be substantial?)
There were only four supporters according to your figures.
If 900+ LIRs supported abolishing fees for themselves, would the objections of a few NIRs be substantial? I think your view would possibly change in those circumstances.
The decision of chair contain technical error. Like I mentioned
earlier,
the chair only observed public comment period and concluded that "There is
no
clear general consensus for the proposal." The chair totally ignored previous consensus among NIR SIG and the meeting result of AMM. If the chair is to make the final call, she should have taken whole process into consideration as well as public comment period. She didn't, and the
result
was totally opposite.
The chair followed the documented policy development process. If you don't believe so, please post the exact part of the policy development process that you believe was not followed correctly.
Third, the fiat from EC chair. If some people raised objections against SIG chair's decision, EC
should
have investigated if the SIG chair's decision was reasonable and if
the
objection was valid. However, the EC chair sent a fiat when the
proposal
was not even EC's table. He simply cut in and stopped discussion.(I looked
EC
chair's role from APNIC document, and I could not find any document
that
says EC chair can cut in, stop discussion and act as a judge.)
Once again, the SIG chair made the only decision that she could possibly make based on the current process. The EC chair sent an email explaining this to you.
Your argument is against the current policy development process (which I personally believe works well). If you don't like it, propose a change.
Regards,
Tim.

Dear Tim,
I know the SIG chair followed our PDP.
All I am point out is that there were many options that the chair could take. ie) 1. NIR SIG consensus + AMM consensus + public comment(4:4:1) is a consensus 2. during public comment period 4:4:1 is a tie (I can not decide. Please EC decide) 3. no consensus 4. We need more time to decide since we have split opinion among members 5. etc.
Why number 3 when the figure is 4:4:1? (I could not see any rational, logical/reasonable reasoning)
This is good place to discuss.
The rest, I know we all followed our PDP.
Regards,
Chanki
There were only four supporters according to your figures.
If 900+ LIRs supported abolishing fees for themselves, would the objections of a few NIRs be substantial? I think your view would possibly change in those circumstances.
The decision of chair contain technical error. Like I mentioned
earlier,
the chair only observed public comment period and concluded
that "There is no
clear general consensus for the proposal." The chair totally ignored previous consensus among NIR SIG and the meeting result of
AMM. If the
chair is to make the final call, she should have taken whole process into consideration as well as public comment period. She didn't, and the
result
was totally opposite.
The chair followed the documented policy development process. If you don't believe so, please post the exact part of the policy development process that you believe was not followed correctly.
Third, the fiat from EC chair. If some people raised objections against SIG chair's decision, EC
should
have investigated if the SIG chair's decision was reasonable and if
the
objection was valid. However, the EC chair sent a fiat when the
proposal
was not even EC's table. He simply cut in and stopped
discussion.(I looked EC
chair's role from APNIC document, and I could not find any document
that
says EC chair can cut in, stop discussion and act as a judge.)
Once again, the SIG chair made the only decision that she could possibly make based on the current process. The EC chair sent an email explaining this to you.
Your argument is against the current policy development process (which I personally believe works well). If you don't like it, propose a change.
Regards,
Tim.

This is Izumi again.
The reason why I chose number 3 is because I did not simply look at the numbers, but the contents of the discussions. We are having very active discussions on the mailing list. This would not happen if there is a general consensus over the proposal.
Please read my previous mail for more details.
Chanki Park wrote:
Dear Tim,
I know the SIG chair followed our PDP.
All I am point out is that there were many options that the chair could take. ie)
- NIR SIG consensus + AMM consensus + public comment(4:4:1) is a consensus
- during public comment period 4:4:1 is a tie (I can not decide. Please EC
decide) 3. no consensus 4. We need more time to decide since we have split opinion among members 5. etc.
Why number 3 when the figure is 4:4:1? (I could not see any rational, logical/reasonable reasoning)
This is good place to discuss.
The rest, I know we all followed our PDP.
Regards,
Chanki
There were only four supporters according to your figures.
If 900+ LIRs supported abolishing fees for themselves, would the objections of a few NIRs be substantial? I think your view would possibly change in those circumstances.
The decision of chair contain technical error. Like I mentioned
earlier,
the chair only observed public comment period and concluded
that "There is no
clear general consensus for the proposal." The chair totally ignored previous consensus among NIR SIG and the meeting result of
AMM. If the
chair is to make the final call, she should have taken whole process into consideration as well as public comment period. She didn't, and the
result
was totally opposite.
The chair followed the documented policy development process. If you don't believe so, please post the exact part of the policy development process that you believe was not followed correctly.
Third, the fiat from EC chair. If some people raised objections against SIG chair's decision, EC
should
have investigated if the SIG chair's decision was reasonable and if
the
objection was valid. However, the EC chair sent a fiat when the
proposal
was not even EC's table. He simply cut in and stopped
discussion.(I looked EC
chair's role from APNIC document, and I could not find any document
that
says EC chair can cut in, stop discussion and act as a judge.)
Once again, the SIG chair made the only decision that she could possibly make based on the current process. The EC chair sent an email explaining this to you.
Your argument is against the current policy development process (which I personally believe works well). If you don't like it, propose a change.
Regards,
Tim.
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