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                        Ray:
a couple of comments:
1) A global policy can change what is stated in a former one.
2) I assume that no RIR will request more than 2 
/8s. If somebody think/feel that our agreement on 
this point is not firm, so it will be necessary 
to propose a modification in the current global 
policy to limit the number of /8s requested to 2.
Raúl
At 09:45 a.m. 27/09/2007, Ray Plzak wrote:
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Comment on drc comment 1 - There is nothing to 
preclude an RIR from requesting to get what it 
can justify, albeit that the RIRs have 
informally said that they will only accept a max 
of 2 /8s. Thus the following scenario is highly possible:
IANA has 6 /8s remaining; RIR qualifies for 4 
/8s and decides to accept what it qualifies for; 
what does IANA do with the remaining 2 /8s.
Ray
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From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-
bounces@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Izumi Okutani
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:30 AM
To: David Conrad
Cc: Randy Bush; sig-policy@lists.apnic.net
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-046: IPv4 countdown policy proposal -
returning to mailing list for development
Hi, I've commented inline.
David Conrad wrote:
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IANA to distribute a single /8 to each RIR when the IANA free
pool hits 5 /8s. This date is defined as 'IANA Exhaustion Date'.

Seems fine, although just to be explicit:
Suppose there are 6 /8s remaining in the free pool.  An RIR comes to
IANA and indicates they want another allocation.  Current practice is
to allocate 2 /8s (if justified).  IANA allocates the 2 /8s, leaving
4 /8s.  The obvious approach would be to allocate the remaining 4 /8s
to the other 4 RIRs.  Is that the intent?
right, thanks for clarifying.
... and a single /8 will be distributed to *5* RIRs if the RIR
requested
for 1 /8 instead of 2 /8s.
(i.e.the requesting RIR gets 2 /8s in total, remaining four RIRs get 1)
[...]
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RIRs should provide an official projection on the IANA Exhaustion
Date to the community.

I'm not sure I see the point of having 5 different 'official'
projections.
Not for job security for researchers though I did like the idea :-).
We weren't actually expecting each RIR to come with their own
projections, but for them to provide latest information based on
projections already available.
(which RIRs consider as reliable)
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RIRs should maintain the current address distribution criteria

until
   the IANA Exhaustion Date.
Perhaps not too surprisingly, I disagree with this particular
clause.  By analogy, we're driving down a road at 100 KPH and we see
a brick wall ahead of us.  This clause requires us to put the car on
cruise control and close our eyes until we're about a meter from the
wall.
What is the rationale for this clause?
The idea is to ensure LIRs can receive IPv4 address space they need
(based on justifications) until the last minute with minimum confusion.
Going by road analogy, you increase confusion for drivers if you
add extra rules changing from time to time, which may lead to
accidents/traffic jam.  Our intention is to avoid confusion by
maintaining a consistent rule.
...
I would think a more rational approach would be for each RIR to
encourage IPv4 conservation using whatever policies make sense in
their region.
That could be one approach, and this is the part we intend to discuss
as
regional policies after IED (presented as informational in APNIC24).
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Is this proposal addressing a real need or problem?

It isn't clear to me what problem this policy is attempting to
address.
When the remaining IANA pool is 5 /8s (or less), there are not enough
blocks for all RIRs on consumption basis.
You can't tell if your turn to request will come before the IANA pool
runs out as it all depends on timing of your + other RIRs' request.
This makes it more difficult for RIRs to plan distribution of the
available pool in their regions.
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What advantages are there to distributing the last remaining
/8 blocks equally to the RIRs?

Encouraging investment in developing countries by large ISPs in
developed countries?
:-) I understand your point, but I imagine a single /8 won't attract
too
many investors. It probably won't last for more than few months to meet
their needs.
I know quite a number of people are concerned about this point, so I'd
be interested to hear more details on what people see as an issue.
izumi

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