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Dear SIG Members
The proposal "prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)' has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be discussed at the Policy SIG at APNIC 35 in Singapore, Thursday 28 February 2013.
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.
The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal? - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Information about this proposal is available from:
https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-105
Andy, Skeeve, Masato
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prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)
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Authors: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.net
JP IPv4 address allocation discussion team
1. Introduction ---------------
After the final /8 policy is implemented, IPv4 address blocks received by APNIC are handled as being part of the final /8 pool and to redistribute these resources according to the final /8 policy (prop-088). This policy proposes to define a separate distribution policy for all non-103 IPv4 address blocks in the APNIC pool, to start the distributions once "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
2. Summary ----------
While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC region, demands for IPv4 address still continue. According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space, if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy.
In May 2012, the global policy “Global Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA” was ratified by ICANN board, and it will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.
Currently, these address blocks will be added to the reserve for distributions according to the final /8 policy, in addition to 103/8 block already reserved for the purpose. Therefore, even if additional blocks are added in APNIC's pool while reserves remain in the 103/8 block range, it is reserved for distribution under the final /8 policy. We propose to distribute this newly received address block and address blocks returned to APNIC to APNIC account holders.
3. Situation in other RIRs -------------------------- -----------------------------
ARIN: no final /8 like policy.
RIPE-NCC: similar /8 policy.
4. Details ----------
Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies.
If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
The same policy as the final /8 policy will be appied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
This policy will be effective after allocation of returned IPv4 address blocks from IANA, based on "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA".
The distribution policy for 103/8 block will remain unchanged, based on the final /8 policy.
5. Pros/Cons ------------
Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to 103/8.
Disadvantages: Some may feel the concern that adopting this policy discourages IPv6 deployment in the APNIC region. However, according to our survey, majority of the respondents responded revising the policy does not impact their IPv6 deployment plan.
6. Effect on APNIC ------------------
APNIC account holders can obtain one more IPv4 block of minimum allocation size as the upper limit (currently /22).
7. Effect on NIRs -----------------
NIRs can choose whether to implement this policy or not.
Good evening
Would it be possible for the secretariat to post details on the number of pre-approved applications which have been processed by APNIC?
What I'm trying to get a feeling for here is in the extremely unlikely event that APNIC was allocated another /8. How long would it last?
If we're talking a number if days or even weeks then I fail to see the point in bothering about this.
Dean
On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Andy Linton wrote:
Dear SIG Members
The proposal "prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)' has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be discussed at the Policy SIG at APNIC 35 in Singapore, Thursday 28 February 2013.
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.
The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal? - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?Information about this proposal is available from:
https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-105Andy, Skeeve, Masato
prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)
Authors: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.net javascript:;
JP IPv4 address allocation discussion team
- Introduction
After the final /8 policy is implemented, IPv4 address blocks received by APNIC are handled as being part of the final /8 pool and to redistribute these resources according to the final /8 policy (prop-088). This policy proposes to define a separate distribution policy for all non-103 IPv4 address blocks in the APNIC pool, to start the distributions once "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
- Summary
While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC region, demands for IPv4 address still continue. According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space, if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy.
In May 2012, the global policy “Global Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA” was ratified by ICANN board, and it will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.
Currently, these address blocks will be added to the reserve for distributions according to the final /8 policy, in addition to 103/8 block already reserved for the purpose. Therefore, even if additional blocks are added in APNIC's pool while reserves remain in the 103/8 block range, it is reserved for distribution under the final /8 policy. We propose to distribute this newly received address block and address blocks returned to APNIC to APNIC account holders.
- Situation in other RIRs
ARIN: no final /8 like policy.
RIPE-NCC: similar /8 policy.
- Details
Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies.
If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
The same policy as the final /8 policy will be appied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
This policy will be effective after allocation of returned IPv4 address blocks from IANA, based on "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA".
The distribution policy for 103/8 block will remain unchanged, based on the final /8 policy.
- Pros/Cons
Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to 103/8.
Disadvantages: Some may feel the concern that adopting this policy discourages IPv6 deployment in the APNIC region. However, according to our survey, majority of the respondents responded revising the policy does not impact their IPv6 deployment plan.
- Effect on APNIC
APNIC account holders can obtain one more IPv4 block of minimum allocation size as the upper limit (currently /22).
- Effect on NIRs
NIRs can choose whether to implement this policy or not.
sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy
sig-policy mailing list sig-policy@lists.apnic.net javascript:; http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy
Hi Dean and all,
APNIC secretariat has so far pre-approved 43 requests, for a total space of 1,717,504 (roughly /12 + /13 + /14).
As an additional information, please find our last /8 block consumption trend attached.
Hope this helps in the discussion. Please let me know if more data is needed.
Regards, Sanjaya
From: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 7:56 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: SIG policy Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks
Good evening
Would it be possible for the secretariat to post details on the number of pre-approved applications which have been processed by APNIC?
What I'm trying to get a feeling for here is in the extremely unlikely event that APNIC was allocated another /8. How long would it last?
If we're talking a number if days or even weeks then I fail to see the point in bothering about this.
Dean
On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Andy Linton wrote: Dear SIG Members
The proposal "prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)' has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be discussed at the Policy SIG at APNIC 35 in Singapore, Thursday 28 February 2013.
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.
The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal? - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Information about this proposal is available from:
https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-105
Andy, Skeeve, Masato
----------------------------------------------------------------------
prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Authors: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.netjavascript:;
JP IPv4 address allocation discussion team
1. Introduction ---------------
After the final /8 policy is implemented, IPv4 address blocks received by APNIC are handled as being part of the final /8 pool and to redistribute these resources according to the final /8 policy (prop-088). This policy proposes to define a separate distribution policy for all non-103 IPv4 address blocks in the APNIC pool, to start the distributions once "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
2. Summary ----------
While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC region, demands for IPv4 address still continue. According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space, if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy.
In May 2012, the global policy "Global Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA" was ratified by ICANN board, and it will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.
Currently, these address blocks will be added to the reserve for distributions according to the final /8 policy, in addition to 103/8 block already reserved for the purpose. Therefore, even if additional blocks are added in APNIC's pool while reserves remain in the 103/8 block range, it is reserved for distribution under the final /8 policy. We propose to distribute this newly received address block and address blocks returned to APNIC to APNIC account holders.
3. Situation in other RIRs -------------------------- -----------------------------
ARIN: no final /8 like policy.
RIPE-NCC: similar /8 policy.
4. Details ----------
Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies.
If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
The same policy as the final /8 policy will be appied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
This policy will be effective after allocation of returned IPv4 address blocks from IANA, based on "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA".
The distribution policy for 103/8 block will remain unchanged, based on the final /8 policy.
5. Pros/Cons ------------
Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to 103/8.
Disadvantages: Some may feel the concern that adopting this policy discourages IPv6 deployment in the APNIC region. However, according to our survey, majority of the respondents responded revising the policy does not impact their IPv6 deployment plan.
6. Effect on APNIC ------------------
APNIC account holders can obtain one more IPv4 block of minimum allocation size as the upper limit (currently /22).
7. Effect on NIRs -----------------
NIRs can choose whether to implement this policy or not. * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy * _______________________________________________ sig-policy mailing list sig-policy@lists.apnic.netjavascript:; http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy
-- Regards,
Dean
Excellent data Sanyaja, thank you.
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Sanjaya Sanjaya sanjaya@apnic.net wrote:
Hi Dean and all,****
APNIC secretariat has so far pre-approved 43 requests, for a total space of 1,717,504 (roughly /12 + /13 + /14).****
As an additional information, please find our last /8 block consumption trend attached.****
Hope this helps in the discussion. Please let me know if more data is needed.****
Regards,****
Sanjaya****
*From:* sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net [mailto: sig-policy-bounces@lists.apnic.net] *On Behalf Of *Dean Pemberton *Sent:* Thursday, 31 January 2013 7:56 PM *To:* Andy Linton *Cc:* SIG policy *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks****
Good evening ****
Would it be possible for the secretariat to post details on the number of pre-approved applications which have been processed by APNIC?****
What I'm trying to get a feeling for here is in the extremely unlikely event that APNIC was allocated another /8. How long would it last?****
If we're talking a number if days or even weeks then I fail to see the point in bothering about this. ****
Dean
On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Andy Linton wrote:****
Dear SIG Members
The proposal "prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)' has been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
It will be discussed at the Policy SIG at APNIC 35 in Singapore, Thursday 28 February 2013.
We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.
The comment period on the mailing list before an APNIC meeting is an important part of the policy development process. We encourage you to express your views on the proposal:
- Do you support or oppose this proposal? - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, tell the community about your situation. - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?Information about this proposal is available from:
https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-105Andy, Skeeve, Masato
prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088)
Authors: Tomohiro Fujisaki fujisaki@syce.net
JP IPv4 address allocation discussion team
- Introduction
After the final /8 policy is implemented, IPv4 address blocks received by APNIC are handled as being part of the final /8 pool and to redistribute these resources according to the final /8 policy (prop-088). This policy proposes to define a separate distribution policy for all non-103 IPv4 address blocks in the APNIC pool, to start the distributions once "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA" is activated.
- Summary
While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC region, demands for IPv4 address still continue. According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space, if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy.
In May 2012, the global policy “Global Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA” was ratified by ICANN board, and it will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.
Currently, these address blocks will be added to the reserve for distributions according to the final /8 policy, in addition to 103/8 block already reserved for the purpose. Therefore, even if additional blocks are added in APNIC's pool while reserves remain in the 103/8 block range, it is reserved for distribution under the final /8 policy. We propose to distribute this newly received address block and address blocks returned to APNIC to APNIC account holders.
- Situation in other RIRs
ARIN: no final /8 like policy.
RIPE-NCC: similar /8 policy.
- Details
Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies.
If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
The same policy as the final /8 policy will be appied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
This policy will be effective after allocation of returned IPv4 address blocks from IANA, based on "Global policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA".
The distribution policy for 103/8 block will remain unchanged, based on the final /8 policy.
- Pros/Cons
Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to 103/8.
Disadvantages: Some may feel the concern that adopting this policy discourages IPv6 deployment in the APNIC region. However, according to our survey, majority of the respondents responded revising the policy does not impact their IPv6 deployment plan.
- Effect on APNIC
APNIC account holders can obtain one more IPv4 block of minimum allocation size as the upper limit (currently /22).
- Effect on NIRs
NIRs can choose whether to implement this policy or not.
sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy
sig-policy mailing list sig-policy@lists.apnic.net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy****
-- Regards,
Dean****
sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy
sig-policy mailing list sig-policy@lists.apnic.net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy
- Details
Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies.
If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block.
The same policy as the final /8 policy will be appied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.
Does this mean that every LIR who had consumed their /22 received under the final /8 policy would be eligible to receive another /22 from whatever tidbit is allocated to APNIC by IANA?
Would this be on a first-in, first-served basis? If there are not enough /22s in the address space received from IANA for a /22 per APNIC member, how would APNIC decide who's first in line? If the space received from IANA is large enough to have anything left over after a /22 per APNIC member, what happens to the rest?
I tend to agree with Dean; unless we're talking about significant numbers of addresses flowing into the APNIC pool from IANA, this does seem to be largely academic.
- Pros/Cons
Advantages: Able to utilize non-103/8 address pool in APNIC for immediate distribution, instead of keeping as a reserve, in addition to 103/8.
I note (somewhat tongue in cheek) that NOT passing prop-105 could help to ensure that the problem described in prop-106 does not fully deplete APNIC's last v4 resources.
-Mike
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